Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-05 Thread Bruce Cran
On 05/10/2012 17:23, Katherine Moss wrote: > Oh really? Nasty; I mean, why not just use a standard UI for that anyway > rather than that very complicated and non user friendly interface? I'm not > talking about accessibility here; some sighted individuals struggle with it > as well. Maybe we

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-05 Thread Katherine Moss
or Windows Installer XML toolset.; chr...@iswix.com Subject: Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective If you want an example of how **not** to do an installer the SQL Server is the one to go for! It is not the Windows Installer parts that ar

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-05 Thread Katherine Moss
--- > From: Christopher Painter [mailto:chr...@iswix.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 7:25 PM > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.; General > discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. ( > wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net) > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] I

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread Neil Sleightholm
If you want an example of how **not** to do an installer the SQL Server is the one to go for! It is not the Windows Installer parts that are bad it is the bootstrapped that warps it all up. >I had SQL server Express 2012 on my server a few months ago, had to >uninstall it to clear out some errors

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread Rob Mensching
What is he doing in his current installer? There are some things in MSI that are more complex than in InnoSetup and NSIS (although Burn in WiX v3.6 tackles most of them). I'm curious because tackling the complexity problem/perception is very important to me in WiX v4.0. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:4

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread Rob Mensching
opher Painter [mailto:chr...@iswix.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 7:25 PM > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.; General > discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. ( > wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net) > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread Katherine Moss
Installer XML toolset. (wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Subject: Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective MSI is complicated. Setup is complicated. There is a learning curve but once you nail it, it's easy for your users. The key

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread Christopher Painter
MSI is complicated. Setup is complicated. There is a learning curve but once you nail it, it's easy for your users. The key to MSI is that it's declarative (functional programming), transactional and has standardized support for upgrades, patches, uninstall, repair, silent and so on. Learn h

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread Neil Sleightholm
I feel your pain. Over the years I have used lots of install technologies, installShield (script and windows installer), wise (script and windows installer), inno setup, plain batch files, custom exes, NSIS etc, etc. The only one that has provided me with a 100% reliable installation is windows

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread John H Bergman (XPedient)
Hmmm "COM is love"? I always thought COM was COMplicated... lol. -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:tomer.d...@intergraph.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 3:29 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complica

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread Hoover, Jacob
or may not work on all OS's/Languages/Bitness/etc). -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:tomer.d...@intergraph.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 3:29 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer&#x

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread tom
I would argue that developing MSI with wix is a little bit more complicated than developing in c# or other scripting language at the beginning, because programmers which use to tell the compiler "How to do" things now need to use declarative language and tell the compiler "What to do" Some progra

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread Katherine Moss
, October 04, 2012 3:57 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective I don't know much about Inno, but reasons for us to use MSI include: - rollbacks - patches (i.e., replacing less than full files), in

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread Keith.Douglas
I don't know much about Inno, but reasons for us to use MSI include: - rollbacks - patches (i.e., replacing less than full files), including with rollbacks - logging - integrates with Windows directly - and, maybe in the future, SCCM connections - Visual Studio integration (not as important now, bu

Re: [WiX-users] I have heard that MSI is too complicated from a programmer's prospective

2012-10-04 Thread Steven Ogilvie
Hey Katherine, For the past 20 years I have been using various InstallShield products, InstallAware, Wise Studio etc... When I first found out the company I work for was using WIX I shuddered... but now after using it for 5 weeks it's pretty good (and free), there have been some hiccups but th