Cc: wpkops@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
Hi Adam. Personally, I would like to see this sort of material included. It
is all either directly or closely related to the workings of the PKI. And, as
long as we have a volunteer, why would we refuse the offer? All the
It occurs to me that rather than looking for participation from the
server providers, what we really need is the maintainer of the SSL
library they all use.
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Adam Langley wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Tim Moses wrote:
>> Colleagues – Here is a first
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To: Tim Moses
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Subject: Re: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Tim Moses wrote:
> Colleagues – Here is a first draft of a charter proposal. Please give
&
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Tim Moses wrote:
> Colleagues – Here is a first draft of a charter proposal. Please give it
> some thought and share the results of your deliberations. Thanks a lot.
> All the best. Tim.
Do you envision that the WG focuses solely on certificates? I would be
kee
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On 8/22/12 10:23 PM, Hill, Brad wrote:
>> Brad, do you include the use of PKIX certificates in application
>> technologies like IMAP, LDAP, NETCONF, SIP, SMTP, SNMP, Syslog,
>> and XMPP as part of or derivative from "the Web PKI"? The
>> proposed char
I think that what is needed most of all in Web PKI space right now is
to arrive at a statement of what applications and servers should
expect so they can be designed to work with the PKI that exists rather
than the infinite set of possibilities that are consistent with PKIX
but not deployed.
At th
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>Yes, that was my questionthey were doing signature-like things, but I
>wasn
tter grasp of the type and quantity of resources that we can draw
> on, we could consider a re-chartering exercise to include it. All the best.
> Tim.
>
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> Randy Turner
>
rsday, August 23, 2012 9:55 AM
To: wpkops@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
Yes, that was my questionthey were doing signature-like things, but I
wasn't sure about the size of any deployment(i.e, "shipping products")
R.
On Aug 23, 2012, at 2:44
w what you mean by “shipping” here, but LTANS did work on long
>>> term non repudiation and time stamp resulting Evidence Record Structure RFC.
>>>
>>> From: wpkops-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Randy Turner
>>>
All the best. Tim.
From: wpkops-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben
Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:52 PM
To: Tim Moses; wpkops@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
Tim,
How do you envision that any previous or future work product of m
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*Subject:* Re: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
Right, but obviously seeking to narrow the scope we need a wider
vision, right? Exclusion of "documents etc." has its historical
>> than the Web by regulatory requirements and jurisdictional boundaries, and
>> often additionally by document formats. (PDF vs. Word vs. XML)
>>
>> I think “the Web” / HTTPS is the only PKI (other than the work PKIX
>> does/did) with enough actually interoperating imp
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Subject: Re: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
I would agree with the scope that "signing" brings into the potential work of a
WG, but I think there might be a fair amount of interoperable S/MIME experience
as well that could be discussed.
Code signing is a bit
2 6:05 PM
> To: Hill, Brad
> Cc: Moudrick M. Dadashov; 'wpkops@ietf.org'; Tim Moses
> Subject: Re: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
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> On 8/22/12 4:29 PM, Hill, Brad wrote:
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> > I think “the
This was part of what I was alluding to earlier, the value of this work being
applied to protocols/applications like the ones described below
(for my own selfish interests, I was thinking about SIP and XMPP :)
Randy
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On 8/22/12 4:29 PM, Hill, Brad wrote:
> I think “the Web” / HTTPS is the only PKI (other than the work
> PKIX does/did) with enough actually interoperating
> implementations...
Brad, do you include the use of PKIX certificates in application
technolo
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Hill, Brad wrote:
> I think “the Web” / HTTPS is the only PKI (other than the work PKIX
> does/did) with enough actually interoperating implementations that a body
> like the IETF is best-positioned to document current and historical
> practices.
Exactly.
The pr
gt; From: Moudrick M. Dadashov [mailto:m...@ssc.lt]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:42 PM
> To: Hill, Brad
> Cc: Tim Moses; 'wpkops@ietf.org'
> Subject: Re: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
>
> Right, but obviously seeking to narrow the scope we need a wider vi
day, August 22, 2012 2:42 PM
To: Hill, Brad
Cc: Tim Moses; 'wpkops@ietf.org'
Subject: Re: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
Right, but obviously seeking to narrow the scope we need a wider vision, right?
Exclusion of "documents etc." has its historical reasons, not technologi
separate?
Thanks,
Ben
From: wpkops-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Tim Moses
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 6:45 AM
To: 'wpkops@ietf.org'
Subject: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
Colleagues - Here is a first draft of a charter proposal. Plea
he draft charter where to draw the line among these, but there is
> plenty of work to do and that needs doing urgently.
>
> Brad Hill
>
> From: wpkops-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Tim Moses
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:45 AM
> To: &#
eeds doing urgently.
Brad Hill
*From:*wpkops-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-boun...@ietf.org] *On
Behalf Of *Tim Moses
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*Subject:* [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
Colleagues -- Here is a first draft of a charter pro
here I
think.
Maybe focus on saying "document deployed PKI" as much as
possible just to be clear?
S
>
> All the best. Tim.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:33 PM
> To:
Hill
From: wpkops-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim
Moses
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:45 AM
To: 'wpkops@ietf.org'
Subject: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
Colleagues - Here is a first draft of a charter proposal. Please give it some
t
oubt - many other features of RFC 5280 that
are not exercised in the Web PKI. Do that seem appropriate to you?
All the best. Tim.
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From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:33 PM
To: Tim Moses
Cc: 'wpkops@ietf.or
RFC
> 5280 that are not exercised in the Web PKI. Do that seem appropriate to you?
>
> All the best. Tim.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:33 PM
> To: Tim Moses
> Cc: 'w
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From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:33 PM
To: Tim Moses
Cc: 'wpkops@ietf.org'
Subject: Re: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
Thanks Tim for that.
I agree with Ron - that's a really good start, but does need work.
My
Thanks Tim for that.
I agree with Ron - that's a really good start, but does need work.
My initial thoughts on that:
- I think the milestone list you presented is too detailed for a
charter, especially at this point. But I'd say that can be left
for now though until the overall scope is clearer
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Subject: RE: First draft charter proposal
Tim,
This is an excellent first attempt. Comments in line.
From: wpkops-boun...@ietf.org<mailto:wpkops-boun...@ietf.org>
[mailto:wpkops-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim Moses
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To
Tim,
This is an excellent first attempt. Comments in line.
From: wpkops-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim
Moses
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:45 AM
To: 'wpkops@ietf.org'
Subject: [wpkops] First draft charter proposal
Colleagues - Here is a f
Colleagues - Here is a first draft of a charter proposal. Please give it some
thought and share the results of your deliberations. Thanks a lot. All the
best. Tim.
The Web PKI is the set of systems and procedures most commonly used to protect
the confidentiality, integrity and authenticity
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