Re: [WSG] New CMS / Framework

2004-01-28 Thread Justin French
On Wednesday, January 28, 2004, at 05:21 PM, Mark Stanton wrote: That's a very big call - best of luck to you. But before you jump in can I suggest you look at http://farcry.daemon.com.au. Ok its Coldfusion based not PHP, but CF will cost you a few thousand dollars that is a tiny amount to

Re: [WSG] Image Gallery alternative

2004-01-28 Thread russ weakley
Hi Robert, Your option looks great! The funny thing is that when you get down to fine details of semantics, you can argue about a range of different solutions to any problem - divs, dl's and ul's could all be used successfully in creating image galleries. Bottom line - we should all be striving

Re: [WSG] New CMS / Framework

2004-01-28 Thread Ben Bishop
While ideally I would address nearly every point in Mike's email, it would benefit probably few of the members on this list and have little effect on his opinion of Daemon. Most importantly and likely, it would serve as a catalyst for an extended debate of off-topic technologies. For anyone

Re: [WSG] RE: New CMS / Framework

2004-01-28 Thread Justin French
On Wednesday, January 28, 2004, at 09:05 PM, Geoff Bowers wrote: Building a comprehensive CMS API is a deceptively difficult task. There are so many open source frameworks, let alone commercial ones, to suit every language preference -- I definitely recommend against starting from scratch

RE: [WSG] New CMS / Framework

2004-01-28 Thread Gary Menzel
I dont know if any of the Daemon guys are on this list (maybe Ben Bishop is) to reply to this, but while I am sure Mike has done the homework he needs I was concerned about a couple of the statements and thought I would comment/clarify.. I am not sure what is meant by too far-removed from

Re: [WSG] CSS file size question

2004-01-28 Thread Martin Chapman
On 27 Jan 2004, at 22:40, Justin French wrote: all the template declarations etc.)? I think you should have your base CSS file (things common to all pages), and then link a separate file for any page-specific requirements. So, you're suggesting, as you state the base file, then, a CSS file per

[WSG] CMS Discussion

2004-01-28 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi folks, The [WSG] New CMS / Framework is now getting off-topic. I was willing for it to go on as it had a good chance of turning back to being about Web Standards. E.g. methodologies for making sure that user entered content (be it plain text or widget written HTML) is filtered appropriately

RE: [WSG] New CMS / Framework

2004-01-28 Thread Michael Kear
I don't want to continue this off-topic discussion, because it'll just turn one of the best technical lists I've ever been a part of. There are lots of responses to my post that I feel like I want to follow up, but it's off topic. I just want to make a couple of comments to clarify what I

Re: [WSG] Real world use of standards

2004-01-28 Thread Chris Blown
Clients need to be informed of the benefits of standards and most will see the value right away. However compromises on design and functionality can offset the benefits quite quickly. The old saying The customers always right seems to fit here. Government departments are _mostly_ aware of

Re: [WSG] Real world use of standards

2004-01-28 Thread Justin French
On Thursday, January 29, 2004, at 11:06 AM, Bradley Wright wrote: I have a question for you all, given that quite a few of you work for large, CMS-type companies and the collective level of experience here is seemingly very large: How many of you have experienced working for companies/clients

Re: [WSG] Real world use of standards

2004-01-28 Thread russ weakley
Bradley, First of all, this is not off-topic at all. In fact, I reckon it's the most important issue facing developers/designers on this list. Here are some comments based on Peter's and my experience.. Take or leave as you wish. :) CLIENTS We always sit down with our clients and discuss

[WSG] printer speific pages

2004-01-28 Thread Universal Head
Can I ask to be pointed to the best tutorial for making printer specific pages on CSS sites? Thanks Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] printer specific pages

2004-01-28 Thread russ weakley
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/goingtoprint/ From the god of CSS himself - Eric :) Can I ask to be pointed to the best tutorial for making printer specific pages on CSS sites? Thanks Peter * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Definition lists -- mid-weekly challenge

2004-01-28 Thread Hugh Todd
Sent this message before 10am today, and it seems to have disappeared. Will try again. This and following message. Cameron, Can't be bothered trying it Boy, that sure puts this newbie upstart in his place. :) but you could float the image left, leave the other elements non-floated, block, with

Re: [WSG] Calendar Day Highlighting

2004-01-28 Thread Hugh Todd
Anton, Hi all, I throw together a simple calendar that highlights each day on :hover, hope you find it intresting (given the tight code): http://standardice.com/experimental/calendarhighlighting.html Works beautifully in Safari and Mozilla on the Mac. Amazingly lean code. Splits apart at day 11

Re: [WSG] printer speific pages

2004-01-28 Thread Gino Ferraro
Peter, The best article I have found is at A List Apart http://www.alistapart.com/articles/goingtoprint/ Being written by the CSSS Guru Eric Meyer, you know it is going to be good. Regards Gino --- Universal Head [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I ask to be pointed to the best tutorial for

[WSG] Mail problem this morning and CMS list

2004-01-28 Thread Peter Firminger
Yeah, sorry folks, had a server issue this morning so if you think a message didn't get through, please check the archive and send it again if it isn't there. http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/archive.cfm I have 5 people for the CMS list and I assume that some replies to this request may have

RE: [WSG] Real world use of standards

2004-01-28 Thread info
My situation is as follows: Here at BHP Billiton, I am part of the Global Intranet Team. I wrote the CSS/XHTML for their Global Intranet and then wrote standards compliant templates for other people within the business to use to build their own intranets. We were able to adopt W3C standards and