Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Francesco
> > The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively > > Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!) - > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html > > I went and read this entire article, then changed the very first meta tag on an html page to be t

RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Jason Foss
Yeah - thanks Lisa. On-Call Interpreters did mention this specifically in their quote, that stuff will need to be proof read after. But thanks for the heads-up anyway. ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 49

RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Stephen Cheshire
Hi everyone, I'm new to this group and this is my first post. I'd like to re-iterate a previously mentioned comment as I think it's extremely important: it may seem obvious, but in the experience I have had, the word docs supplied by your translation company must use the Unicode font too. I would

RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Jason Foss
The charge was based on a per 100 English words basis - and different languages had different rates - so my quote probably won't help you much anyway (unless you're asking about the same number of words translated into the same languages) - but they both emailed back quotes promptly, so maybe best

ADMIN Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Lea de Groot
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:55:00 +1000, Frederic Fery wrote: > is it indiscrete to ask you about the ball park those 2 companies > gave you? offlist? > > do they charge per page per language? Although interesting and probably sensitive, pricing is definitely off-topic. Discussing how to implement c

Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Frederic Fery
Hi Jason I have similar requirement for some of my sites here at the Uni of technology Sydney is it indiscrete to ask you about the ball park those 2 companies gave you? offlist? do they charge per page per language? regards Frederic On 20/10/2004, at 12:30 PM, Jason Foss wrote: We've approache

RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Herrod, Lisa
Just to repeat what I was saying before, be really careful with the word docs. you really need to have one of the translators proof the text on screen to check for errors including strange characters and word breaks etc. -Original Message- From: Jason Foss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: W

RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Jason Foss
We've approached On-Call Interpreters in Melbourne and Precision Languages in Sydney. Both quotes came back in the same ballpark, and it's not a huge amount of text so the cost is not prohibitive. Thanks also for that link Roger - seeing it in action helps a lot. (I think... If only I could read C

RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Jason Foss
They are being provided in a Word document. Do you know if you can pull Unicode out of that? Thanks! ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, Nort

Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Natalie Buxton
I know that SBS (TV) offer a translation service for Websites. I am assuming (dangerous thing to do) that they could also advise on character encoding issues. Might be worth giving them a call. On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:17:56 +1000, Lachlan Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jason Foss wrote: > >

Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Neerav
Jason I developed http://www.anigane.info/en/ & http://www.anigane.info/zh-tw/ earlier this year, looking at them might help you What I found worked best was translating the parts of the site which were repeated eg: navigation, contact info in the footer once and using them as a template for al

Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Jason Foss wrote: > The easy way is to make an image out of the translation and pop that there - but I don't want to do that for obvious reasons!!! I'm reading a bit about character sets and encoding, but it's all a bit abstract at this point. Any experiences or how-to references would be much ap

RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Web Usability
Hi Jason We had a similar requirement last year. The cost of translating and preparing pages in other language html is very expensive. The job we did already had pdfs of a document in 14 different language but the client wanted to provide easy access to them and an accessible alternative. We prep

Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Matt Andrews
depends on what server technology the site is using, of course. from experience, i would recommend JSP - Java's internal handling of Unicode and built-in language/locale stuff (resource bundles) is very effective. all the text is stored in .properties files, one per language and/or country, and

RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Herrod, Lisa
Jason, I worked on a site a while ago that required translation into 14 different languages. It was an education based portal that contained a lot of text. One of the issues we encountered was when documents were translated in a word document and then supplied to the development team to transfer i

Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Jason, haven't got direct experience in doing this, but my gut feeling would be to encode everything in unicode (UTF-8) as it should cover most character sets required. You'll need the translated bits of text provided as unicode as well, to place within your document. Does that make sense? Patr

[WSG] Foreign Translations

2004-10-19 Thread Jason Foss
Greetings! I have a client who wants part of their website translated into a few other languages, some of them Asian (Chinese & Korean are a couple). I have obtained a couple of quotes from translation agencies to actually do the translations, but does anyone have experience with actually implemen

Re: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Stratford wrote: It's a standard that only members get :-) Still not right. Try: .secret {display : none;} It's a standard that only members get :-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.or

Re: [WSG] css snippet

2004-10-19 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Mark Harwood wrote: > Ive never known it possible to use a wildcard (*) to select all elements, > it would be nice but i dont think its possible On the contrary, it is very possible. You can also select all elements within an element: div#foo * { /* this selects everything inside a div with the

Re: [WSG] Escaped &'s in field values.

2004-10-19 Thread Jonothan Stribling
Assuming that you're using XHTML, you need to use the "proper" HTML entity for & which is: & I don't know that this will help your js problems, but it will mean that your page will be valid XML. More info at: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/entities.html Jonothan On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:55:

[WSG] Re: Web Design for PDA?

2004-10-19 Thread Isabel Santos
Thank you all, so very much!   I gess I'll have a long study night, it won't be as easy as I first thought it would (gess it was kind of naif), but all this info you shared is valuable. I gess, if we can put standard code, to work properly, in a cross platform and browser maner, including pda

RE: RE: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-19 Thread Peter Firminger
Means I screwed up! Still tweaking it... Thanks for this. P > WSG's feed page (http://webstandardsgroup.org/rss.cfm) gives > me this error when > I viewed it (FF 1.0PR, Win XP): > > + + + + + + + + + + + CODE + + + + + + + + + + > XML Parsing Error: not well-formed > Location: http://webstandard

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-19 Thread Jad Madi
Hi, i've placed a small disclaimer on my site stateing why im "NON-IE" Web Standards Friendly site. would be better On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:01:34 +1000, Chris Stratford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I make my site, I just make sure it works everywhere. > Then use some FireFox/Mozilla Border

Fwd: RE: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-19 Thread !!blue
WSG's feed page (http://webstandardsgroup.org/rss.cfm) gives me this error when I viewed it (FF 1.0PR, Win XP): + + + + + + + + + + + CODE + + + + + + + + + + XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: http://webstandardsgroup.org/rss.cfm Line Number 250, Column 100:

Re: [WSG] Embed tag, and web standards

2004-10-19 Thread Patrick Griffiths
> Currently the best advice is to validate media content pages as HTML v4 transitional. Personally, I think the best approach is still Flash Satay: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com **

Re: [WSG] Embed tag, and web standards

2004-10-19 Thread Shane Helm
This works for me and validates as XHTML Transitional and it displays cross browser. I'm using this for Flash. See it in action here: http://theinnatsilverlake.com/residences.html Shane Helm On Oct 19, 2004, at 9:30 AM, Mike Foskett wrote: Hi Sajith, You'll find that

RE: [WSG] Embed tag, and web standards

2004-10-19 Thread Mike Foskett
Hi Sajith, You'll find that there isn't currently a method for insetting Flash or other media that: 1. Validates to XHTML 2. Displays reliably cross browser, cross platform. Currently the best advice is to validate media content pages as HTML v4 transitional. The other option, which is cheating,

Re: [WSG] css snippet

2004-10-19 Thread Mark Harwood
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:44 , Bennie Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: >Am I just dense? :o) Think you answered the question you self fella... Ive never known it possible to use a wildcard (*) to select all elements, it would be nice but i dont think its possible Mark Harwood -

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Stratford
When I make my site, I just make sure it works everywhere. Then use some FireFox/Mozilla Border Radius code... Just to make IE users a little jealous. And hopefully turn a few over to FF eg: www.gamerdb.net My most recent project. Not entirly complete... Actually only about 50% done. But 90% of the

Re: [WSG] Escaped &'s in field values.

2004-10-19 Thread Brian Duchek
Why not just escape(selected.value) the "improperly" encoded value to convert the "&" to "&"? On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:07:25 -0400, Scott Reston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got a form element that contains values that include escaped > ampersands. eg, > > This & That > > > I'm finding th

[WSG] Embed tag, and web standards

2004-10-19 Thread Sajith A
Hello Jaime of sodesires told me about this site and nice to see that a lot of healthy discussion is going on here. I came to know about web standards very recently and i'm trying to do a site implementing it. In one of the pages i have to play windows and real media and for that i'm using a combi

RE: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-19 Thread Blair Millen
Mark, I have a similar outlook with my own personal blog, but if you are able to look at your visitors stats like myself then you may find that over half your readership is using IE. I'd personally try to make your site accessible to everyone you can, even if it means making a little extra eff

[WSG] css Snippet

2004-10-19 Thread Bennie Shepherd
Guess when I copied the code from the site I got more than the code.. :o) It worked fine after copying the snippet from the email. Thanks for the help and links. Did you paste it in exactly as you show below? If so, your sample would not have worked as you had some odd characters in the rule set

Re: [WSG] css snippet

2004-10-19 Thread russ - maxdesign
Did you paste it in exactly as you show below? If so, your sample would not have worked as you had some odd characters in the rule set. Try this (whitespace and line breaks are up to the individual as they are ignored anyway): * { padding:0; margin:0; } It might be worthwhile reading some basic i

[WSG] css snippet

2004-10-19 Thread Bennie Shepherd
I tried pasting this code 1. |* {| 2. | padding:0;| 3. | margin:0;| 4. |}| to my css and get and error when I try to validate it. Am I just dense? :o) -- Get Firefox Browser http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=6908&t=58 Bennie's MIDI Page http://bennieshepherd.com/ Athens, Ge

RE: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-19 Thread Ian Fenn
Nick writes: > I was just reading the article excerpted below and was curious as to > how many on the list have used this technique of initially setting all > padding and margins to 0 and if so how successful was it? I'm surprised nobody has mentioned: http://tantek.com/log/2004/09.html#d06t2354

[WSG] Upcoming meetings for WSG

2004-10-19 Thread russ - maxdesign
A busy time for WSG with three events coming up over the next few weeks. 1. Melbourne Special WSG meeting Accessibility and standards for web designers/developers Date: Monday 25 October, 2004 Agenda: Steve Faulkner (NILS) - "Techniques for making forms more accessible" and Brett Jackson (Fairfax

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-19 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Nothing new for list members, but I've added another post to discuss some of the issues that this thread has bought to my attention. http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/19/global-ws-reset/ Andrew. ** The discussion list for http://webstanda