Re: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

90% of Netscape 4 users are usually Government employees forced to use an outdated browser due to the fear that beaurocrats (I cant spell) have about upgrading. Don't blame the end user for the lousy browser their employer sticks them with. Educate the employers instead. On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:1

[WSG] IE help on vertical navbar... any ideas?

I have a problem with a left floated navigation bar and the div next door which holds the main content. URL:http://localhost/linden/blog/index.php CSS:http://localhost/linden/blog/stylesheets/styles.css The relevent classes for the navigation are .leftnav and the content .main A

RE: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

Bureaucrat is the correct I think. And I reinstalled WinXP with no IE easily accessible (except for Windows Update dammit) and am enjoying Firefox 1.0. Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group 4/73 Tharwa Road Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA W

[WSG] IE help on vertical navbar... any ideas?

Sorry fixed it, noticed a display: inline and changed it to display: block. Aint that the way, been looking at it for an hour or more. Don't quite understand the science behind that one though. Not having display: inline or display: block stopped the image from showing at all. Anyway today its

Re: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

Don't blame the end user for the lousy browser their employer sticks them with. Educate the employers instead. Sure, if it works - don't change it. By supporting NN4 you just keep it alive and give message to bureaucrats that it is OK browser. So make it stop working. I think that employee sayi

RE: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

> From: Kornel Lesinski > So make it stop working. > > I think that employee saying "Boss! This doesn't work!" > is the best > way to educate employers... Sorry, but that's rubbish. For accessibility (and, heck, good manners even) the information on your site should be navigable and usab

Re: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

Kornel Lesinski wrote: Why do you let 8-year-old browser to stop you from making good pages? I agree; it's bad enough we need to cater to IE5&6. I look forward to when it's enough for the page to look all right in IE 6 and be functional, but not necessarily as good nor as function as it would be

[WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

I can't solved a space problem in a CSS menu that only affects IE5.0: XHTML: http://kalimeo.com/menu CSS: http://kalimeo.com/menu/menu.css IE5.0 screenshot : http://kalimeo.com/menu/IE5.html Any ideas? Thanks for your help... Antonio ** The discus

Re: [WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

Perhaps it's the line-height in #jour? Looks like it's about 12px extra there...you might need to add that to "#jour a"...v On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Antonio wrote: I can't solved a space problem in a CSS menu that only affects IE5.0: XHTML: http://kalimeo.com/menu CSS: http://kalimeo.com/men

Re: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:53:12 -, Sam Hutchinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Currently looking into all the suggestions offered, so thanks :) Much oblidged to all list members who offered assistance. The page has now moved to: http://www.sammyco.co.uk/acttrwebpre/steady.php It also now validate

Off with your JS (was Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question))

Interesting responses. But I can't help wondering if these things, and others mentioned, are done by people who *know* about these things. In my mind, that is a small minority. Most likely only developers. Do the 'Bob-The-Office-Worker', and the 'Mary-The-Surfing-Homemaker' (or vise-versa ;) )

Re: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

Sam Hutchinson wrote: > ...I can take it because I value the opions of users of this list :) > So do your best (/worst) *awkward grimace* > Been beavering away on a new site: > http://www.sammyco.co.uk/acttrwebpre/PRE%20VALIDATION.htm Stale link. Good thing for redirect page. > -still debu

RE: Off with your JS (was Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question))

G'day > Do the 'Bob-The-Office-Worker', and the 'Mary-The-Surfing-Homemaker' (or vise-versa ;) ) types really know about this stuff? Maybe not, but Bob-The-Office-Worker's Directors may have instructed the IT department to cripple the browsers on all their employees' workstations. They may also h

Re: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

Just noticed your favicon does not show in any browser on my Mac and PC...could be my problem, but get all other icons on other sites. Your page disappeared moments ago, so cannot offer more advice. Presume you're working on it. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2004, a

Re: Off with your JS (was Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question))

At 07:02 AM 12/10/04, Tom Livingston wrote: But I can't help wondering if these things, and others mentioned, are done by people who *know* about these things. In my mind, that is a small minority. Most likely only developers. Do the 'Bob-The-Office-Worker', and the 'Mary-The-Surfing-Homemaker'

RE: [WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

> Le 10 déc. 04, à 17:06, Pringle, Ron a écrit : > > > >>> On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Antonio wrote: > >>> > I can't solved a space problem in a CSS menu that only > >> affects IE5.0: > > XHTML: http://kalimeo.com/menu > CSS: http://kalimeo.com/menu/menu.css > IE5.0 scree

[WSG] Sydney WSG end of year get-together

Well, last night's Sydney WSG end of year meeting was interesting. We had 11 people turn up, but considering it was absolutely pouring rain, the city was in total gridlock, we chose a venue that was absolutely packed AND was largely an out-door space, we did quite well. We sat around under umbrell

Re: [WSG] A standards compliant remake.

At 04:16 PM 12/10/04, Chris Stratford wrote: Just thought I would show off my little standards compliant remake. http://web.archive.org/web/20031219222155/www.matryoshkasandmore.com.au/index.html that was the original crappy thing. I remade it to this: www.matryoshkasandmore.com.au/ The site works

Re: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:24:10 +1100, tristan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ALA has an article that is very good. It uses an alternative method to JS and has a small bit of JS as backup (for IE i think). This will work on all browsers except IE + JS

[WSG] please trim those posts!

I was going to write an explanation about trimming posts, but a quick Google found exactly what I wanted to say - and probably much better than I could say it: Trim, trim, trim. When you are replying to a post, please quote only the relevant parts of the message you are replying to. Be sure to lea

Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG end of year get-together

rest of the worldMy message of love is mostly for the Sydneysiders! Thanks for the overwhelming response last night people, hopefully there'll be another good reason to celebrate soon. Just between you, me and the gatepost a big Firefox news(NSW, Australia) is underway... Maxine's beautiful flick

Re: [WSG] Help, why doesn't it work...

Because they are floated objects - their heights are not being recognised by their parent container, so it does not extend below them. You need to clear after them so that their container will wrap around them. More here: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/floatsample.htm Russ > Please he

THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

Currently looking into all the suggestions offered, so thanks :) Much oblidged to all list members who offered assistance. The page has now moved to: http://www.sammyco.co.uk/acttrwebpre/steady.php It also now validates fully via W3C and is working cross browser. The **only** glitch I seem to ge

RE: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

Thanks David. Altering my sizing options now, and many thanks for your feedback. RE "You may(?) want to consider an alternative menu for those using a JS disabled browser..." - what is evryone's opinion? I do have plain text links at the footer of the page and users will be able to get around t

Re: [WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

I deleted the line-height, but nothing changed... :-/ Antonio Le 10 déc. 04, à 14:15, Vaska.WSG a écrit : Perhaps it's the line-height in #jour? Looks like it's about 12px extra there...you might need to add that to "#jour a"...v On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Antonio wrote: I can't solved a spac

RE: [WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

> > On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Antonio wrote: > > > >> I can't solved a space problem in a CSS menu that only > affects IE5.0: > >> > >> XHTML: http://kalimeo.com/menu > >> CSS: http://kalimeo.com/menu/menu.css > >> IE5.0 screenshot : http://kalimeo.com/menu/IE5.html > >> > >> Any ideas? > >> T

Re: Off with your JS (was Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question))

Well, I'm gonna bail out on this thread before it gets ugly. On a closing note, one might hope that Bob and Mary-The-Office-Worker start complaining (or complain harder) to their Directors that they can't do their work properly and/or efficiently with NN4 (or worse) and that this promps the move

Re: [WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

Le 10 déc. 04, à 17:06, Pringle, Ron a écrit : On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Antonio wrote: I can't solved a space problem in a CSS menu that only affects IE5.0: XHTML: http://kalimeo.com/menu CSS: http://kalimeo.com/menu/menu.css IE5.0 screenshot : http://kalimeo.com/menu/IE5.html Any ideas? Thank

[WSG] A standards compliant remake.

Hey Guys, Just thought I would show off my little standards compliant remake. http://web.archive.org/web/20031219222155/www.matryoshkasandmore.com.au/index.html that was the original crappy thing. Which the designer got paid over $1500 for... I remade it to this: www.matryoshkasandmore.com.au/ I di

Re: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

ALA has an article that is very good. It uses an alternative method to JS and has a small bit of JS as backup (for IE i think). This will work on all browsers except IE + JS turned off. As far as i know this is the most valid and cross-browser com

[WSG] Help, why doesn't it work...

Hi  Please help me with this site, I can't for the life of me work out why my background doesn't tile down in FF.  Seems ok in IE. http://www.stormfront.com.au/test/pp/ Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Do'h. ThanksHelen***Helen RysavyWeb Designer, 

Re: [WSG] A standards compliant remake.

I'd rather use list tag rather than tables for the navigation. Anyways, making a transition and making it complied with web standards is a job well done. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org