Re: [WSG] two column ALAS!

2005-09-18 Thread JoAn
Thanks for all the replies about two column layouts. It certainly helps. Alas, I see I need more. I am trying to change a current html page with massive tables to the css layout. I inherited this page. There are some things I don't know how to switch to the css style. For instance, just under

Re: [WSG] two column ALAS! BIG OOPS!

2005-09-18 Thread JoAn
LOL! I forgot to put the page address in. DUH. Here it is: www.norfolkwholesalefloral.com The current css is very minimal with only font style, link colors, and that's about it. Thanks again! JoAn - Original Message - From: JoAn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent:

[WSG] two column

2005-09-18 Thread Mani Sheriar
This works as long as the side column is shorter than the main column. View it here: http://www.manisheriar.com/wsg/twoColumn/ html: div id=container div id=header h1This is the Head/h1 /div!-- end head -- div id=wrapper

[WSG] two column - CORRECTION

2005-09-18 Thread Mani Sheriar
Oops - always test in IE before posting, eh? ;~) Changed the css code of sidebar to: #sidebar { position:absolute; top:0; left:0 !important; left:-190px; width:140px; padding:10px; font-size:90%; } To deal with IE. Mani Sheriar

[WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread john
I was thinking this morning that we constantly tell people two things about CSS, as in this wonderful presentation: http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ (pages 9 and 10) we tell them a) it's more efficient because the style sheet only gets downloaded once! and then we tell them b) you

Re: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread Jake Badger
That might be an issue if you're changing the stylesheet all the time (although even then browsers should still update the cached file if it's changed) but generally people are talking about updating it infrequently and irregularly. In that case it might take a while to filter down to everyone's

Re: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day a) it's more efficient because the style sheet only gets downloaded once! b) you can reformat your whole site just by changing the CSS file! and what, we just hope nobody notices that they contradict each other? To me it's only a contradiction if you read once to mean once in your

Re: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread Gary Menzel
Browser DO go back out and update files (according to the policy set by either a network admin or the user - which may mean NEVER). BUT - the biggest problem is all the Proxy Servers inbetween the user and the site. You cannot always gaurantee that the policy on the proxy is set correctly (or if

Re: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread Bert Doorn
I wrote: Changing the css filename is not a good idea as you would then need to edit every html file to point to the updated file? Unless like you (John) mentioned, one uses an include (I missed that bit). Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/

Re: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread john
Changing the css filename is not a good idea as you would then need to edit every html file to point to the updated file? Well, that's the point of my trick, unwieldy though it is. Every html file would have a server-side include, which contained a client-side include. Next, a rabbit out of a

RE: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread Jake Badger
Except that then that stylesheet gets cached (more likely cached on the proxy) and you have the same problem all over again. Jake On 19/9/2005, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, There's no need for a server-side include to do this. Just use a linked stylesheet to import the real

Re: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread russ - maxdesign
There is a simply option: 1. add a link to a generic css file: link rel=stylesheet href=basic.css type=text/css media=screen, print 2. inside this file, import any css file you need: @import advanced.css; The advantages are: 1. by using two media types in first link you will stop NN4 from

RE: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
What about setting the content expiration in the HTTP headers, you can do this from within the webserver. Isn't that how it was intended to work? Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 . http://www.pacificfox.com -Original Message- From:

RE: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread Jake Badger
But my point was that in this situation (proxies caching out of date stylesheets) the proxy will hold an old version of the importing stylesheet and so only link to the old sheets. This won't solve the initial probelm, but I haven't seen it happen all that often and I don't really think it's all

RE: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread john
John, There's no need for a server-side include to do this. Just use a linked stylesheet Intra-corporate controversy! Fair enough, but as Jake has pointed out, this isn't absolutely guaranteed, because screen.css may still get cached, leaving users with the old @import statements.

[WSG] Secure Credit Card Field

2005-09-18 Thread Stuart Sherwood
autocomplete=off I have recently used this invalid attribute on a credit card field for security in IE. IE will try to complete the field and show a small drop down box under text fields containing all entries which have been entered previously. This autocomplete feature means that credit

RE: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread Geoff Pack
Sorry to be thick, I get it now. I guess you have to use the SSI if you want to be absolutely sure. Though if you are only changing the styles, does it matter? The content will still be correct (unless the html is also cached...) cheers, Geoff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Secure Credit Card Field

2005-09-18 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Stuart Sherwood wrote: autocomplete=off Any suggestions for a valid alternative? Injecting the attribute via javascript, or just weighing up what's more important: a single validation error in the name of security, or having a perfectly valid document that may cause serious issues? --

Re: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-18 Thread Scott Glasgow
Bert Doorn wrote: G'day a) it's more efficient because the style sheet only gets downloaded once! b) you can reformat your whole site just by changing the CSS file! and what, we just hope nobody notices that they contradict each other? To me it's only a contradiction if you read once to