[WSG] The Age (and smh) redesign

Hi, last week http;//theage.com.au launched a redesign, and early next week, it appears http://smh.com.au will also get a fairly similar makeover. I thought I might run my recent survey methodology over it, to see how the old and new designs compare. Its just been published as an artic

Re: [WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant?

If gecko is out of date, which is best? My personal opinion would be Konqueror as it passes the Acid2 test. As far as development methodology I also start with Firefox largely because it has a nice set of add on tools and I can load it on my laptop easily enough (I'm running Vector Linux).

Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?

> > I'm also not sure how browsers are supposed to handle a non-repeating > > animated gif as on-hover background, so I don't know what's "correct" > > behavior here. > > I'm not sure what the "correct" way is either, but regardless, I don't > code to firefox or any other browser first. I code to

Re: [WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant?

Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: In response to some of the opinions generated by my "Firefox first, others later" way of testing my pages, it brings up the question of which browser is closest to rendering my code the way it SHOULD look? I was under the impression that Firefox was as accurate as av

Re: [WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant?

From: "Joseph R. B. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant? I always make sure everything works on every device, my point is that you have to start someplace when checking across devices. I would hop

Re: [WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant?

If gecko is out of date, which is best? Gecko is not out-of-date. It supports many things from the specs, however it has many bugs. As well as Opera or Safari. See Just go ahead and c

Re: [WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant?

I always make sure everything works on every device, my point is that you have to start someplace when checking across devices. I would hope that we can rely on at least one piece of software on the planet to respond correctly to our code. We're well aware of which don't. Al Sparber wrote:

Re: [WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant?

Speaking pragmatically, does it matter? I think Firefox is pretty good, and I personally use it (with web developer extension) to build stylesheets (I find it really helpful to watch the elements fall into place as I adjust styles in realtime). That is, for me, the fastest way to get a style that

Re: [WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant?

From: "Joseph R. B. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: [WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant? In response to some of the opinions generated by my "Firefox first, others later" way of testing my pages, it brings up the question of which br

Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?

On 10/30/05, Mark Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seriously, why is this flamebait. I suggested this in another thread a > couple of days ago. Is there a problem I'm not aware of with server-side > sniffing? Mm, well... it's not really a problem if it's properly maintained. But, seeing as many

[WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant?

In response to some of the opinions generated by my "Firefox first, others later" way of testing my pages, it brings up the question of which browser is closest to rendering my code the way it SHOULD look? I was under the impression that Firefox was as accurate as available today. If gecko is

Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?

Mark Harris wrote: Seriously, why is this flamebait. I suggested this in another thread a couple of days ago. Is there a problem I'm not aware of with server-side sniffing? Any user agent sniffing (client- or server-side) has two main issues: - to be pedantic, it goes against the idea of a s

Re: [WSG] graphic design for standards sites.

Jad Madi wrote: > design but table based layout, and now my task is to help them to > start learning how to design for standards, How to slice, etc.. I think the most important thing a "Graphic Designers" needs to understand is "the flow". With this concept in mind, it is much easier to address th

Re: [WSG] form hidden field ?

Set it's display to none. Joshua Street wrote: Example link? On 10/29/05, csslist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a hidden field in a css styled form and when you view the page it's shown as a line in firefox, any ideas? tia dave -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0

Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?

Joshua Street wrote: On 10/30/05, Kenny Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So back to the original question, is there any way to serve a rule only to firefox (or only to non-firefox) without invalidating the css? Heh, server-side browser sniffing? ;-) Seriously, why is this flamebait. I su

Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?

Kenny Graham wrote: So back to the original question, is there any way to serve a rule only to firefox (or only to non-firefox) without invalidating the css? Use the and delete the @import for Opera 9+ on top (until the validator catch

Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?

On 10/30/05, Kenny Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So back to the original question, is there any way to serve a rule > only to firefox (or only to non-firefox) without invalidating the css? Heh, server-side browser sniffing? ;-) Josh ** T

Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?

> I'm also not sure how browsers are supposed to handle a non-repeating > animated gif as on-hover background, so I don't know what's "correct" > behavior here. I'm not sure what the "correct" way is either, but regardless, I don't code to firefox or any other browser first. I code to standards f

Re: [WSG] graphic design for standards sites.

> How 'Graphic Designer' can think in standard wise while > working with Developers or the Markup guys. Stop thinking in the "grid" layout of table based design. CSS lets you put things wherever you want, with a lot less work too. You also don't have to slice so much, since graphics become backgro

[WSG] Navigation Anomaly in FF and IE

Good afternoon, I recently launched a re-design of my company's site, and noticed that the main menu (i.e. our company, services, portfolio, rates, testimonials and custom quote) collapses and expands in IE and FF when a link is clicked. It happens quickly so you'll have to watch for it :) Howe

Re: [WSG] graphic design for standards sites.

start learning how to design for standards The same way. How to slice As the coders need. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandard

Re: [WSG] graphic design for standards sites.

Try some of these books: Designing with Web Standards (Jeffrey Zeldman) Web Standards Solutions (Dan Cederholm) Bullet Proof Web Design (Dan Cederholm) Designing without Tables using CSS (Dan Shafer) You can google all those. As far as a Graphic Designer having a good background on tableless layo

[WSG] graphic design for standards sites.

Hi, Fortunately my manager is wise enough to think about standards. Actually I'm looking for some materials, presentations about Web standards, and How 'Graphic Designer' can think in standard wise while working with Developers or the Markup guys. Please note that the 'graphic designers' have goo

Re: [WSG] Current practices in Australian web development

Thanks John,  Really appreciate your work on this. Cheers Chris B

Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?

Kenny Graham wrote: I would be concerned about a bug only showing up in Firefox, I believe that hiding something from Firefox is not the way to go, but rather, make it right in Firefox and then worry about the others. Usually I'd agree. But in this case, that won't work. :( I don't agree

Re: [WSG] form hidden field ?

Dave, Firefox is rendering the border you've defined on the input selector. Use inline CSS of border:0; or give it a class/ID (as you have the other form elements) and add a rule to your stylesheet to stop this from appearing. I remember this bug from Mozilla a long time ago. I did this: in

Re: [WSG] Noob question... CSS padding on tables

I guess just apply the rule to td and th too. table, th, td {padding: 1em;} ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ***

Re: [WSG] Noob question... CSS padding on tables

Using conditional comments for IE, set table td { padding:0; } Assuming that's what you want? Or was it the other way around? On 10/29/05, Mark B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All > > Bit of a noob question. Working on a site using tables/html 4 (technical > restraints). I'm finding that when

Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?

> I would be concerned about a bug only showing up in Firefox, I believe > that hiding something from Firefox is not the way to go, but rather, > make it right in Firefox and then worry about the others. Usually I'd agree. But in this case, that won't work. :(

[WSG] Noob question... CSS padding on tables

Hi All   Bit of a noob question. Working on a site using tables/html 4 (technical restraints). I'm finding that when I apply CSS padding to a table, in firefox, the padding is only applied to the table, whereas in IE, the padding is applied to all the cells in the table, which for a table with more