Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread Steve Olive
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:18:32 pm James Jeffery wrote: Good Morning! Here is my problem. Im at college this year, preparing for University (Hopefully Birmingham) to study Software Engineering. At college we have a class on a Thursday called Web Development and the guy thats teaching the class

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, If you HAVE to use tables you can still go some way in meeting accessibility standards by compliance with guidelines: 5.3 Do not use tables for layout unless the table makes sense when linearized. [Priority 2] 5.4 If a table is used for layout, do not use any structural markup for the

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest

2007-10-22 Thread Whatman, Warrick
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Re: [WSG] References for best web video practices

2007-10-22 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 10/17/07, Roberto Gorjão [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you point me to some of your bookmarks or other resources about it? http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.html#multimedia and http://www.skillsforaccess.org.uk/ -Alastair

[WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Keryx Web
When Outlook 2007 came out it incurred upon itself the righteous wrath of all standardistas thanks to the stupid decision to use Word as its HTML/CSS rendering engine. In a few days Mac OS X Leopard will be out with much touted templates for the mail app. Here is my question: Are these made

RE: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Mohamed Jama
Although it's quite annoying but it does make some sense at some weird level, having IE as their rendering engine with its shambled security it was easy for a lot of spammers and hackers to inflect a lot of damage on less experienced web users. I actually think it was quite a good idea although

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Jason Pruim
On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Keryx Web wrote: When Outlook 2007 came out it incurred upon itself the righteous wrath of all standardistas thanks to the stupid decision to use Word as its HTML/CSS rendering engine. In a few days Mac OS X Leopard will be out with much touted templates

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread 8bits Media
It would seem odd if Apple went down the same path as Microsoft, especially since using Word to render HTML/CSS in Outlook 2007 was so well received by the web development community! I'm sure they won't want to be accused of following Microsoft. Also, I have a feeling they wouldn't have

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread Christian Snodgrass
I am actually having a similar problem. I was able to skip the Web Development class, so I didn't have to sit through it, but I am sure it is similar to how yours is. We have a Javascript class and the HTML that is taught in there is hideous. Also, my teacher in my Multimedia class is wanting

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Keryx Web wrote: When Outlook 2007 came out it incurred upon itself the righteous wrath of all standardistas thanks to the stupid decision to use Word as its HTML/CSS rendering engine. In a few days Mac OS X Leopard will be out with much touted templates for the mail app. Here is my

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread dstorey
At least in Universities (colleges - as in the English colleges, not the American term, may be different) my experience is that lecturers have a research area, which is why they are still in academia. Teaching is just a necessary evil they have to go through, especially if it is not related to

Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash

2007-10-22 Thread Rogier Schoenmaker
Hello, Just so you know, there's no dropdown shown in Firefox (IceWeasel) for debian, neither for Epiphany and Konquerer doesn't seem to work with flash. Hope it's useful. Regards, Rogier Schoenmaker. On 18/10/2007, nate hanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, Michael Kear [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread Jason Pruim
I'm not a university... Just a poor schmuck trying to stay afloat in the world of web design/coding but a website like what you are talking about would be very very helpful. I would be willing to help in any way I could (Without charge unless you took up too much of my family time :))

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always thought of doing something like a web standards curriculum pack, either in printed or online form, that we put together as a suggested curriculum for universities to give to students David, I'd suggest getting in touch with somebody from the WaSP EDU

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
Would you want the mail templates to use standards and seperation of concerns? Last time I looked, it was well nigh impossible to get an email that was standards based AND rendered properly in virtually *any* email client. Im sure they could have made the templates standards based, in which case,

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Breton Slivka wrote: Would you want the mail templates to use standards and seperation of concerns? Last time I looked, it was well nigh impossible to get an email that was standards based AND rendered properly in virtually *any* email client. Im sure they could have made the templates

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
and my point was: Apple isn't advertising the templates as being only viewable in Apple mail, it's advertising them as being viewable in *any* mail client. This implies that they do not have seperation of concerns, because there's no standard of support for that.

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
Apologies- I didn't mean my original post as a direct response to patrick, merely a response to the thread. On 10/23/07, Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and my point was: Apple isn't advertising the templates as being only viewable in Apple mail, it's advertising them as being viewable

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Breton Slivka wrote: and my point was: Apple isn't advertising the templates as being only viewable in Apple mail, it's advertising them as being viewable in *any* mail client. This implies that they do not have seperation of concerns, because there's no standard of support for that. Sorry,

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Al Sparber
From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, had to go back and re-read the thread starter. In rushing through my mail, I thought the question was more along the lines of will it support our carefully crafted HTML/CSS emails, but I see now that it specifically concerned the shipped

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Al Sparber wrote: The problem with Outlook, I believe, is more to do with what it generates, rather than what it can read/display. Haven't had a chance to play with the final product, but from what I remember it is indeed a fundamental problem with its display capabilities. From

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
I'm not entirely sure. The HTML/plain text announcements we send out are standards-based with one exception - we embed the CSS in the body section. These mails display perfectly in Outlook, OE, Windows Mail, Apple Mail, and Thunderbird. The problem with Outlook, I believe, is more to do with

RE: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash

2007-10-22 Thread Michael Kear
Thanks Rogier, I appreciate your help. Since we are likely to have perhaps 1 or 2 users only using any of those browsers, and by far the vast majority of our users are using WindowsXP with IE6 or IE7 (remember this is not a IT related site - our customers are tshirt retailers and advertising

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread WL Wong
Hi James, In addition to some of the ideas given, what about showing your lecturer some inspiring examples like CSS Zen Garden, and others? Hopefully he can also discover designing with css and standards, and really get into it. I had shown zen garden to a colleague few years ago - he got hooked

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/22/07, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you tried outlook 2007 Lately? the way it reads/displays html has been THE issue ever since it was released. No. I'd assumed it displayed the same as OE6 or Windows Mail (Vista). A.. it

RE: [WSG] Encoded mailto links (and accessibility)

2007-10-22 Thread Moira Clunie
On 10/19/07, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not much good for someone using a device without sound From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Or Golan I'm guessing that a person who uses a screen reader has sound on his device. Not necessarily - screen reader