Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-12 Thread Bob Schwartz
, no regrets (unless I'm tossed out of the garden). From: Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS Driven? But CSS is the de-facto preferred way of defining layout of (X)HTML documents, and using tables for layout

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-12 Thread Bob Schwartz
Thanks, Sometime it is absolutely positioned. Couldn't the if floated solution be considered a hack? :-} It is starting to sound as if my reasons for using one table once-and- awhile are still valid and that there are still some height issues with divs. Bob Schwartz I've found

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-12 Thread Bob Schwartz
I mis-spoke (maybe), the issue is not the horiz centered box, it is the box expanding in height according to its contents. (ie the whole box expands in height according to the content in the main cell). (Some clients don't want 100% height). From: Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-12 Thread Bob Schwartz
I'm not trying to center, the issue is height and more correctly height which expands to fit content of nested divs and probably even more correctly a box with columns in it which expands all columns to be equal in height to the one with the most content. Bob Schwartz Couldn't

Re: [WSG] Flash and Validation

2005-12-12 Thread Bob Schwartz
I use this: http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/03/31/proper-flash-embedding- flashobject-best-practices/ Guys and Gals, A problem I have ignored all too long is Flash and XHTML. The problem lies in the embed tag and its attributes of course. I have of course read the alistapart articles

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-07 Thread Bob Schwartz
Lachlan,I'm going to take your much appreciated response one bit at a time.By doing as you suggested, I lose the point of having used the JS in the first place.(For the purposes of this discussion, let's assume that having the copyright notices reflect the current year is a desired thing).With the

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-07 Thread Bob Schwartz
a year like that, it SHOULD be enshrined in markup (which means static or server-side processing). On 12/7/05, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lachlan, I'm going to take your much appreciated response one bit at a time. By doing as you suggested, I lose the point of having used the JS

Re: [WSG] talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Bob Schwartz
Donna,in another thread, someone essentially asked "why code like this", in trying to convince a friend.  I don't think he's getting very good answers but at any rate, it made me think of a "problem" I'm having and I've decided to make a new thread. I've noticed that responses to your similar

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-06 Thread Bob Schwartz
//a/div 3. body onload=P7_setNV('p7NVim10',2);P7_trigNV() This one all alone on the page, with no linked JS in the head: div id=copy script type=text/javascript var d=new Date(); yr=d.getFullYear(); if (yr!=2003) document.write(copy; +yr); /scriptnbsp;Cedar Tree Books /div Bob Bob Schwartz

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-05 Thread Bob Schwartz
Exactly where in my posts did I say I create web sites in the style of my friend? On 12/4/05, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of those. I just mentioned that I was unable to convice my friend to change his ways and his strongest reason not to was his (fairly complicated) site

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-05 Thread Bob Schwartz
of having to maintain that sort of code would eliminate any thought of reverting to the old school way of making web sites. On 12/5/05, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly where in my posts did I say I create web sites in the style of my friend? On 12/4/05, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-05 Thread Bob Schwartz
Lachlan, By far, the most important issue facing beginners with regards to standards is the separation of semantics, presentation and behavioural layers into well structured, valid, non-presentational markup; CSS and javascript, respectively, and it sounds like you've already made

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-04 Thread Bob Schwartz
Oddly enough I've been thinking about making a similar post. I would have said all you said and then added two more tidbits. 1. Just read on some blog (pointed to from this list) where doctypes are useful only for validation, otherwise of no use. 2. A friend just got back into the web

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-04 Thread Bob Schwartz
a complicated layout to work in as many browsers. I'm all for standards and everything else this list is about, but I do feel we might be spending a lot of time preparing for a State Dinner when what we are really going to attend is a come-as-you- are BBQ in the backyard. On 04/12/05, Bob

[WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-19 Thread Bob Schwartz
2005 14:42:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [WSG] IE Madness Bob Schwartz wrote: On this page: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_02.html I have a link at the bottom of the page (Back To Page One) which should send a visitor to: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html#top

Re: [WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-19 Thread Bob Schwartz
I don't think it is a bug, it's just the result of not having jscript turned on (the menu is a p7 Pop Magic Menu, which is jscript driven).On 19 Aug, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Juergen Auer wrote:On 18 Aug 2005 at 9:58, Bob Schwartz wrote: On this page:http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_02

Re: [WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-19 Thread Bob Schwartz
Thanks Al for the tip, though in this case those with jscript turned off are going to have a lot of other problems on this site as well. However, as I want everyone (within reason) to be able to use the site, I will read the tutorial and see if I can tweak the menu to display better for

Re: [WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-19 Thread Bob Schwartz
site http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html.Operation aborted.It seems as if IE is striping off the #top fragment.Anyone know how to fix this?Thanks,Bob Schwartz

Re: [WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-19 Thread Bob Schwartz
Thanks Al, changing to pagetop seems to have done the trick. On 19 Aug, 2005, at 4:57 PM, Al Sparber wrote: Bob Schwartz wrote: On this page: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_02.html I have a link at the bottom of the page (Back To Page One) which should send a visitor

Re: [WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-19 Thread Bob Schwartz
Thanks, I followed a tip from Al Sparber and changed #top to #pagetop and that seems to have done the trick. Who knows what lurks in the mind of IE Windows On 19 Aug, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Ingo Chao wrote: Bob Schwartz wrote: On this page: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_02

[WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-18 Thread Bob Schwartz
which gives the following error message: Internet Explorer cannot open the internet site http:// www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html. Operation aborted. It seems as if IE is striping off the #top fragment. Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks, Bob Schwartz

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