That's great news, sorta.
It's great for those of us that have been following the standards for
ages and will just have to remove a few hacks and tweaks, but other than
that only minimal adjustments. However, there will be a lot of legacy
code that gets screwed up. However, you can't constantl
On 04/03/2008, at 1:25 PM, Chris Knowles wrote:
"We've decided that IE8 will, by default, interpret web content in
the most standards compliant way it can. This decision is a change
from what we've posted previously."
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperabil
How can you disagree with a capability? Isn't it a feature to be used
if you so choose? For intranets etc that you can force this behaviour
can actually be a good thing, but if you don't like it, you don't have
to use it! Microsoft has certainly responded here, but in my opinion
we shouldn'
I wonder id IE team from M$ sends the flower bouquets and chocolates
to Mr Meyer and Mr Zeldman with Hallmark cards to apologize for
putting them being bug guys by supporting that silly idea.
Sorry, I just can't resist to asking this question.
tee
"We've decided that IE8 will, by default
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx
That's awesome. A unified industry can move forward. Those who want to
embrace it will get with the program, and those who don't can stay in
IE7-ville until... well, until they get with the program
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I wonder id IE team from M$ sends the flower bouquets and chocolates
to Mr Meyer and Mr Zeldman with Hallmark cards to apologize for
putting them being bug guys by supporting that silly idea.
Sorry, I just can't resist to asking this question.
I don't thin
a spesific version is
very handy for them.
There are still systems using DOS software for their operation because
porting it to a new system would cause a great risk of bugs.
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porting it to a new system would cause a great risk of bugs.
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On 04/03/2008, at 2:34 PM, John Hancock wrote:
How can you disagree with a capability? Isn't it a feature to be
used if you so choose? For intranets etc that you can force this
behaviour can actually be a good thing, but if you don't like it,
you don't have to use it!
I agree with your la
> Tate Johnson
> I agree with your latter point. However, I fear that it
> protects lazy
> developers who refuse to adopt standards based practices. That said,
> the more and more you look at the community on the whole; it seems
> less ignorant today than at the start of the decade.
The pr
That's very true. Those that our party of the community are those that
are aware and follow standards. And, I do disagree with compatibility
indefinitely, such as having IE5's, or even IE6's rendering engine
within IE8, because that does cause bloat. But, I can understand having
IE7s, because n
Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet?
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm
Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can
run standalone...
P
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Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box!
Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D
Regards.
Aleagi
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On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet?
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8
aller may require security patch updates to complete.
Hope to report soon on... :)
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I got a spare computer to test this on. Thanks for the heads up about the
availiblity of the beta.
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Yeah, I'm afraid to install it a
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o test this on. Thanks for the heads up about the
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2 restarts later I have found the following:
* it overwrites IE7
* it doesn't render anything in the tabs!
* it has an 'emulate IE7' button (??)
Best to hold off for now. If I get it sorted I'll let you all know.
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I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-)
Very Bad! my
As far as I know "the emulate IE7 button forces the browser to render
pages like IE7... [Microsoft also added a meta tag to choose which
rendering version your visitors will use during their visit]
Paul Bennett wrote:
2 restarts later I have found the following:
* it overwrites IE7
* it doesn
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Ok I got it installed...
Since I don't had the last updates in my machine, IE8 forced me to do it.
And I did...
Now I can't have IE6, it's updated!
I have
Thomassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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IE8 does provide a mode switch to IE7. There's a new button next to the
home button. Though I'm not surpriced it nuked your IE6 installation.
I gave it a go and tried so
Setup a virtual machine and do it there. Much safer.
Michael Horowitz
Your Computer Consultant
http://yourcomputerconsultant.com
561-394-9079
aleagi wrote:
Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box!
Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D
Regards.
Aleagi
.
On Wed, Mar 5,
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet?
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm
Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can
run standalone...
Ok, took the plunge. As already noted, it overwrites IE7, bu
Hi Thomas,
One thing I noticed was some oddness with :hover behaviour
I remember when IE7 came out (RC1 I think) I had to add [1] a:hover {} to
the head of my documents else it didn't work at all. I added it within my
@import statement with empty braces, like this:
@import "mystylesheet.c
Agreed, plenty of virtualisation software out there that makes problems like
the ones reported just go away.
In most VM's you could take a snapshot of Windows prior to install of IE8 then
roll back to that snapshot when you are done with IE8 or until a workable
standalone comes through. For virt
Michael Horowitz wrote:
Setup a virtual machine and do it there. Much safer.
If you have spare WinXP installs, that is.
Sadly a bit late, but I stumbled across these ready-made VirtualPC
images from MS
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=21EABB90-958F-4B64-B5F1-73D0A413
I had this crazy idea that MS would allow developers to implement something
like this so we could forget about the various furbar'd rendering engines MS
produces and just run with something that works for those of us who code to,
or try to code to, the various standards:
or at least allow us
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Hi Thomas,
One thing I noticed was some oddness with :hover behaviour
I remember when IE7 came out (RC1 I think) I had to add [1] a:hover {} to
the head of my documents else it didn't
ssage-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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> Behalf Of aleagi
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>
> Ok I got it installed...
>
> Since I don't had the last up
> On Behalf Of Chris Knowles
> Subject: [WSG] IE8 news
>
> "We've decided that IE8 will, by default, interpret web content in the
> most standards compliant way it can. This decision is a change from what
> we've posted previously."
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-
Hi all,
Sorry for the quick-fire posts. This just in:
* if it doesn’t render when you start up the browser, you can open a new tab
and then switch back to the first tab - this seems to 'wake up' the rendering
engine
* the 'emulate IE7' button allows you to switch between IE7 and IE8 rendering
e
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Behalf Of Ben Dodson
>
> The switch to IE7 mode is a good bonus to have but there are a few weird
things such as the url in the address bar is always greyed out apart from
> the domain name which is a bit weird (and I can't quite understand wh
Ok, IE6 standalone from EVOLT are NOT browsing at all!
It starts but ou can't navigate with it!
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/browsers.evolt.org/browsers/ie/32bit/standalone/ie6eolas_nt.zip
I got IE6 back from Multiple IEs...
http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE
I've installed it all and (appar
Yeap, it sucks!
I'll find a solution to that!
Regards,
Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes
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On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-)
Find someone throwing out an old machine and grab their activation
number if you have the CD's.
Michael Horowitz
Your Computer Consultant
http://yourcomputerconsultant.com
561-394-9079
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Michael Horowitz wrote:
Setup a virtual machine and do it there. Much safer.
I
How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users
update their browsers?
I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict?
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> Yeap, it sucks!
>
> I'll find a solution to that!
>
> Regards,
> Luiz Gust
> How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users
> update their browsers?
>
> I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict?
Yes, I can predict.
IE8 goes on-line August 4th, 2009. Human decisions are removed from
strategic browser development. IE8 begins to learn, at
> http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt
404! It's happening already!
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> My main hope is that the number of IE6 users will decrease rapidly as there
> are still over 20% of the market according to the W3C statistics.
> Apparently Microsoft were going to do a forced upgrade from IE6 to IE7 at
> the end of Feb but
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russ - maxdesign provided the following information on 7/03/2008 7:43 AM:
I have detailed files:
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt
> The impact on XP is similar. Those not opting to allow WGA installation or
attempt it
> but fail cannot upgrade from IE6.
http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/01/17/Microsoft-warns-businesses-of-autoupdate-to-IE7_1.html
I agree with you on W2K, but XP users
How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users
update their browsers?
I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict?
probably longer.
when I look at the server logs here I still see almost as many IE6 users as
IE7 users.
(the server logs are from a public event
On Mar 7, 2008, at 1:18 AM, Michael MD wrote:
when I look at the server logs here I still see almost as many IE6
users as IE7 users.
This prompted me to look back at our logs (US public library: 10
branches, about a million circulating items, and in a town with a
large state university -
I use XP on two different corporate networks. Both have auto-update
blocked, and will remain on IE6 for the foreseeable future. I don't
think this is uncommon, but we will need to wait and see. Until now, the
general practice appears to be to support the latest two versions of IE,
but I think for a
Hello Mike,
I agree with you.
There's a lot of users still working in obsolete machines or/by
option, browsing with IE6.
I think IE7 was a transition state to the web standards rendering,
like Windows Me was to 98 from 2000.
Microsoft likes to do things like that...
I do believe that IE7 will
Michael MD wrote:
when I look at the server logs here I still see almost as many IE6 users
as IE7 users.
(the server logs are from a public events/nightlife website which gets a
pretty diverse range of people visiting it)
The following stats (representing 15694 users of all kinds) are for a
aleagi skrev:
Hello Mike,
I agree with you.
There's a lot of users still working in obsolete machines or/by
option, browsing with IE6.
That would be all of my colleagues - and me if I want to access the
intranet for our town. It won't work in MSIE 7 (and hence not in MSIE 8
with any switch.)
Hey,
I've been watching some of the IE8 conversations. I got it just
yesterday and tried it. While it may pass the Acid2 test flawlessly (and
only be a beta) it takes up /masses/ of memory. My computer isn't
exactly a dinosaur but it still paused whilst trying to type using IE8.
How powerful
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Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news
Hey,
I've been watching some of the IE8 conversations. I got it just
yesterday and tried it. While it may pass the Acid2
On Mar 8, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Kevin Arrowsmith wrote:
I also found IE8 to be very slow, not so much typing in it but
rollover
effects on links, even small things like underline text when the
mouse goes
over it, also going from one page to another seemed slow. I even
managed to
crash it when
Your problem is government doesn't care about what works for users. I'm
suprised it works on Firefox and IE 6 but not 7 as I thought 7 was more
not less standards compliant. But most businesses that actually make
money from the web will have to go with the market and work with the
latest rele
Well, if you'd like some stats from a .au site with very much
non-technical, typically Australian-sourced traffic:
1. Internet Explorer / Windows 44,549 80.32%
1. 7.0 23,965 53.77%
2. 6.0 20,507 46.01%
3. 5.5 47
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Well, if you'd like some stats from a .au site with very much
non-technical, typically Australian-sourced traffic:
1. Internet Explorer / Windows 44,549 80.32%
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