Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread jarmo via wsjt-devel
Mon, 10 Apr 2023 18:58:47 +0200 5p1kzx Michael via wsjt-devel kirjoitti: > Hi Jarmo > > JTDX can't run any kind of Robot-Mode... > > 73 de 5p1kzx Michael I stand corrected, thanks Jarmo, Oh1mrr ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourcefo

Re: [wsjt-devel] Truncated Waterfall Display "Feature"

2023-04-10 Thread Reino Talarmo via wsjt-devel
Thanks Mike, I see on 40 m band a bit different distribution of S/N values. In my case typical average S/N value is about 5 dB higher than yours and standard deviation is a bit below 10 dB, while in your case it is 8 dB. The interesting point is the -24 dB value. In your case the lower the less

Re: [wsjt-devel] Sourceforge fixed the download issue

2023-04-10 Thread John Nelson via wsjt-devel
Hi Uwe. I get this error when compiling Improved_PLUS: Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64: "MainWindow::on_fst4Button_clicked()", referenced from: MainWindow::qt_static_metacall(QObject*, QMetaObject::Call, int, void**) in mainwindow.cpp.o "MainWindow::on_wsprButton_clicked()",

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread 5p1kzx Michael via wsjt-devel
Hi Jarmo JTDX can't run any kind of Robot-Mode... 73 de 5p1kzx Michael Den 10-04-2023 kl. 16:34 skrev jarmo via wsjt-devel: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 21:03:42 +1000 Alan McDonald via wsjt-devel kirjoitti: All correct. I've just emailed T30UN on this very subject. Their QRZ page is completely mislead

[wsjt-devel] Sourceforge fixed the download issue

2023-04-10 Thread Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel
Hi all, The download issue should be fixed now. Something was broken at Sourceforge. The SF support team told me "there was an error with an update to our database on Friday. We recently performed some unrelated work on our website, and unfortunately, this caused an accidental side effect that re

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread Alan McDonald via wsjt-devel
that popup message I posted was from -Z. It too objects to running Fox in std frequencies. Alan On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 at 00:34, jarmo via wsjt-devel < wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Mon, 10 Apr 2023 21:03:42 +1000 > Alan McDonald via wsjt-devel > kirjoitti: > > > All correct. I've just

Re: [wsjt-devel] Truncated Waterfall Display "Feature"

2023-04-10 Thread Sam W2JDB via wsjt-devel
HI Reino, When I added the SNR analysis to my Alltext.exe program, I made sure that I also displayed the Hi and Low values. I wanted to compare those values relative to the mean and the 1 StdDev value, especially the low value.  It really was an interesting exercise especially seeing the variance

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread jarmo via wsjt-devel
Mon, 10 Apr 2023 21:03:42 +1000 Alan McDonald via wsjt-devel kirjoitti: > All correct. I've just emailed T30UN on this very subject. Their QRZ > page is completely misleading - what they are saying is absolutely > not possible. It's not F/H if they are on std freq. It's MSHV > multi-stream. But t

Re: [wsjt-devel] Truncated Waterfall Display "Feature"

2023-04-10 Thread Reino Talarmo via wsjt-devel
Hi Mike, Perhaps I need to do the same search. I remember that Bill (sk) mentioned that the -24 dB is used in WSJT-X for FT8 because the accuracy is so poor below that value, but may be changed. Not a big issue. 73, Reino OH3mA From: Black Michael via wsjt-devel [mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sou

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread Ton PA0TBR via wsjt-devel
Yes, 3Y0J had this problem while their DT was within limits. And indeed some clever op's managed to work them. Is it possible that these op's used MSHV to match the wrong period? 73, Ton pa0tbr On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 14:44, William Smith via wsjt-devel < wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

Re: [wsjt-devel] Truncated Waterfall Display "Feature"

2023-04-10 Thread Black Michael via wsjt-devel
-24 is not the minimum SNR reported.  -30 is. Below -24 is pretty rare though and is a big "knee"in the data.Here's a histogram from my station.Mike W9MDB       3 -27     23 -26     75 -25   2353 -24   3907 -23   8187 -22  16812 -21  28821 -20  41617 -19  49679 -18  54327 -17  56758 -16  56976 -1

Re: [wsjt-devel] Truncated Waterfall Display "Feature"

2023-04-10 Thread Reino Talarmo via wsjt-devel
Hi Sam, Thanks Sam, I am aware of that problem and for sure it affects to the "absolute" S/N values. There is another issue due to the limited dynamic range and that all S/N values below -24 dB are reported as -24 dB. I have partially tried to avoid the issue by only taking into calculation mes

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread William Smith via wsjt-devel
Wasn’t there a dxpedition recently that inadvertently had their clocks off by 13 (?) seconds, and no one could work for them because they looked like they were on the “wrong“ period?A few people were able to work around the limitations above, or set their own clocks off by an equivalent amount, and

Re: [wsjt-devel] Truncated Waterfall Display "Feature"

2023-04-10 Thread Sam W2JDB via wsjt-devel
Hi Reino, The one thing to be aware of when analyzing SNR is that since you can not account for the signals that you did not decode, those that are below the threshold, the mean will always be biased towards the positive side and those missing decodes invariable would have affected the variance

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread Alan McDonald via wsjt-devel
And for additional clarity - something many OP may not try. If you try to switch to Fox mode on a std frequency, you will be met with this popup [image: image.png] You will not be able to TX in until you switch back to Normal mode or change to a non-std frequency. Alan On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 20:

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread Alan McDonald via wsjt-devel
All correct. I've just emailed T30UN on this very subject. Their QRZ page is completely misleading - what they are saying is absolutely not possible. It's not F/H if they are on std freq. It's MSHV multi-stream. But they say they use WSJT-X. So this all leads to total confusion for all operators.

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread Ton PA0TBR via wsjt-devel
OK, thank you all, I didn’t know that. 73, Ton pa0tbr Op ma 10 apr. 2023 om 11:37 schreef Alan McDonald > MSHV also does what they call Multi-stream and also multi channel or “slot” > > To work a station running MSHV, you do not have to obey the rules of Fox > and Hound associated with WSJT-?.

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread 5p1kzx Michael via wsjt-devel
Hi Ton Those msg for different stations in a single stream and on the same time is mandatory for FT8DX Mode (WSJT-X F/H) but they can also be made by the MSHV Software and if a Station is TXing on the 15/45 periode and send out those msg for different station it can't be WSJT-X and it's not t

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread Alan McDonald via wsjt-devel
MSHV also does what they call Multi-stream and also multi channel or “slot” To work a station running MSHV, you do not have to obey the rules of Fox and Hound associated with WSJT-?. You work them as normal but they are able to reply to 2 station at once on one sub-frequency or multiple slots s

Re: [wsjt-devel] F/H mode in wrong period

2023-04-10 Thread Ton PA0TBR via wsjt-devel
The messages had different reports for different stations in a single stream., my understanding is that this must be WJST-X F/H.. Please correct me if i am wrong. 73, Ton pa0tbr Op zo 9 apr. 2023 om 15:06 schreef Reino Talarmo via wsjt-devel < wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > And they are us

Re: [wsjt-devel] Truncated Waterfall Display "Feature"

2023-04-10 Thread Reino Talarmo via wsjt-devel
Hi, Just as promised, I looked what happens, when I set waterfall from 200 Hz to 1500 Hz (just bit more). The measurement was a side result of a study how a narrower radio filter affects to the S/N values. I have two similar receivers and I feed the same antenna signal via a power divider to th