Re: [XeTeX] arabic

2010-10-23 Thread Ross Moore
Hi Vafa, Houda, Kamal, Ulrike and others, On 23/10/2010, at 1:43 PM, Vafa Khalighi wrote: > I disagree. If makeindex was so perfect, why would someone spends lots of > time inventing a new system. Nobody said makeindex was perfect, just that it may be sufficient for the job at hand. If the

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-23 Thread Mike Maxwell
On 10/23/2010 12:41 PM, Gareth Hughes wrote: On the matter of declining skills in typesetting I'm reminded of an Oxford apocryphon of a printer who was preparing a Sanskrit grammar. The printer contacted the author, an esteemed professor, with a crucial error in the Sanskrit text. The professor f

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 23.10.2010 um 17:30 schrieb Ulrike Fischer: Am Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:27:46 +0200 schrieb Peter Dyballa: 1. Is it possible to replace unicode by applemac encoding? What are the commands in this case? If you want to continue typing in applemac input encoding you better stay with the much m

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 23.10.2010 um 18:14 schrieb Ulrike Fischer: So why not tell them that there is a choice? Because you need to record each file's particular encoding in order to share its contents with other users – or editors/TeX front-ends/TeX engines. -- Mit friedvollen Grüßen Pete There's no

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-23 Thread Dominik Wujastyk
Muller's edition: http://www.wilbourhall.org/index.html#veda On 23 October 2010 18:55, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > That was Prof. Max Muller (professor of Philology) and his critical edition > of the Rg Veda. :-) > > > On 23 October 2010 18:41, Gareth Hughes wrote: > >> On the matter of declini

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-23 Thread Dominik Wujastyk
That was Prof. Max Muller (professor of Philology) and his critical edition of the Rg Veda. :-) On 23 October 2010 18:41, Gareth Hughes wrote: > On the matter of declining skills in typesetting I'm reminded of an > Oxford apocryphon of a printer who was preparing a Sanskrit grammar. The > print

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-23 Thread Dominik Wujastyk
On 23 October 2010 16:20, John Was wrote: [...] > Getting back to TeX-related matters, the hyphenation patterns available in > XeTeX (even to 'plain' users like myself) are an enormous help, even if I > disagree with the English at frequent points > [...] > Phil Taylor, Graham Toal, and I were i

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-23 Thread Gareth Hughes
On the matter of declining skills in typesetting I'm reminded of an Oxford apocryphon of a printer who was preparing a Sanskrit grammar. The printer contacted the author, an esteemed professor, with a crucial error in the Sanskrit text. The professor first felt angry at being questioned on matters

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Sat, 23 Oct 2010 17:48:46 +0200 schrieb Arthur Reutenauer: >> Why shouldn't someone be forced to use utf8 encoding if its texts >> use only chars from a 8bit codepage? Xetex is quite able to handle >> them if you declare the encoding. > > Quite, but not entirely. If you use \XeTeXinputencod

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-23 Thread John Was
Well I'm still in the Press once a week at least (for choir practice!) so I shall make sure these comments reach the right ears. They correspond, unfortunately to my own impression. Leofranc Holford-Strevens works heroically on critical editions but he is the sole in-house editor left and can

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-23 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Judson Herrman wrote: Ironically, the handiest guide to Greek hyphenation I know of is the 39th edition of Hart's Rules for Compositors and Readers at OUP. I found an expensive used copy, and I believe the material on typesetting foreign languages is absent from later editions. The 39th~edn

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> Why shouldn't someone be forced to use utf8 encoding if its texts > use only chars from a 8bit codepage? Xetex is quite able to handle > them if you declare the encoding. Quite, but not entirely. If you use \XeTeXinputencoding to use some other character set, XeTeX will still write to files u

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:53:42 +0200 schrieb André Bellaïche: > Let me ask some questions: > 1. Is it possible to replace unicode by applemac encoding? What > are the commands in this case? Yes. You will have to put \XeTeXinputencoding "mac" at the start (somewhere before the first non-ascii ch

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:27:46 +0200 schrieb Peter Dyballa: >> 1. Is it possible to replace unicode by applemac encoding? What are >> the commands in this case? > If you want to continue typing in applemac input encoding you better > stay with the much more developed pdfTeX. All packages wor

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-23 Thread Judson Herrman
I've heard many a story about the heroism of Holford-Strevens. I was working with OUP-USA, who has much less experience with critical editions, and so he wasn't involved. I recently enjoyed the erudition in his Very Short Introduction to the History of Time. I've also found the (Xe)TeX hyphenation

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-23 Thread jherrman
Yes, as you would guess, the copy-editor marked up my files by hand and sent me the hard copy. Recent OUP critical editions in Greek prose could use a lot more copy-editing; I would assert that their production standards in this area have fallen drastically in the last decade. We have new edition

[XeTeX] minipage bidi problem

2010-10-23 Thread Juan Acevedo
Hello again The desired output of the following minimal file is attached: two columns, the one on the left, a short title, being vertically aligned with the top of the minipage on the right. But when bidi (or arabxetex) is uncommented, the left hand column ("Chapter One") moves down to be alig

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread Cyril Niklaus
On 23 oct. 2010, at 18:52, André Bellaïche wrote: > > Le 23 oct. 2010 à 11:33, Cyril Niklaus a écrit : > >> On 23 oct. 2010, at 17:53, André Bellaïche wrote: >> >>> >>> 2. If the main roman font is Frutiger® 55 Roman (Linotype Original names), >>> I doubt that the system will find out that if

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 23.10.2010 um 11:46 schrieb André Bellaïche: Yes, but it does not seem that the Postscript name is the one you type in the command \setromanfont. The family name should be OK since it does not restrict the font to one variant (roman, italic, bold, a mixture). Look into Font Book (Livr

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread André Bellaïche
Le 23 oct. 2010 à 11:33, Cyril Niklaus a écrit : > On 23 oct. 2010, at 17:53, André Bellaïche wrote: > >> I am new to XeTeX, and I could not find a text for beginners. > >> === >> >> Let me ask some questions: >> >> 1. Is it possible to re

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread André Bellaïche
Le 23 oct. 2010 à 11:27, Peter Dyballa a écrit : > > Am 23.10.2010 um 10:53 schrieb André Bellaïche: > >> 1. Is it possible to replace unicode by applemac encoding? What are the >> commands in this case? > > If you want to continue typing in applemac input encoding you better stay > with the

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread Cyril Niklaus
On 23 oct. 2010, at 17:53, André Bellaïche wrote: > I am new to XeTeX, and I could not find a text for beginners. > === > > Let me ask some questions: > > 1. Is it possible to replace unicode by applemac encoding? What are the > commands in

Re: [XeTeX] arabic

2010-10-23 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 08:47:04PM -0400, Kamal Abdali wrote: > HI Houda and Ross, > > Ross is of the opinion that the job of indexing in Arabic can be done with > makeindex. I did a little search and reading, and concluded that the job is > not > one that can be done in an afternoon (or two). At

Re: [XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 23.10.2010 um 10:53 schrieb André Bellaïche: 1. Is it possible to replace unicode by applemac encoding? What are the commands in this case? If you want to continue typing in applemac input encoding you better stay with the much more developed pdfTeX. All packages work with pdfTeX, an

Re: [XeTeX] arabic

2010-10-23 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 23.10.2010 um 06:22 schrieb Kamal Abdali: I would like to try persian.xdy, but can't find it. On my updated TeXLIve2010/MacTeX, it is neither in xepersian files nor in xindy files. In Tex Live 2008 and 2009 the file existed: /usr/local/texlive/200[89]/ texmf-dist/doc/xelatex/xepersian

[XeTeX] Beginner questions

2010-10-23 Thread André Bellaïche
I am new to XeTeX, and I could not find a text for beginners. I have adapted the following preamble from a sample by David Perry: == % !TEX TS-program = xelatex % !TEX encoding = UTF-8 \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{fontspec} \def

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-23 Thread John Was
OUP will normally be amenable if saving money is in prospect! I think the barrier here has always been the copy-editing process (now more vulnerable since house style is not seen as so important and indeed there is no longer any copy-editing department at OUP). A critical edition will normally