Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Ross Moore
Hi Joseph, On 27/04/2015, at 4:19 PM, Joseph Wright wrote: > On 27/04/2015 00:22, Ross Moore wrote: >>> But of course that doesn't address the problem for LaTeXt users until >>> someone writes a suitable/comparable package (maybe someone did >>> already, I didn't try to follow). >> >> I have cod

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Joseph Wright
On 27/04/2015 07:35, Philip Taylor wrote: > Going even further off-topic, but pursuing this one aspect of the > thread, is there not only real one problem : the need to educate users > to cease marking up their documents in raw (La)TeX syntax, and instead > to express them in well-formed XML ? I

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Joseph Wright
On 27/04/2015 08:43, Ross Moore wrote: > Hi Joseph, > > On 27/04/2015, at 4:19 PM, Joseph Wright wrote: > >> On 27/04/2015 00:22, Ross Moore wrote: But of course that doesn't address the problem for LaTeXt users until someone writes a suitable/comparable package (maybe someone did

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Philip Taylor
Joseph Wright wrote: > On 27/04/2015 07:35, Philip Taylor wrote: >> Going even further off-topic, but pursuing this one aspect of the >> thread, is there not only real one problem : the need to educate users >> to cease marking up their documents in raw (La)TeX syntax, and instead >> to express

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Andrew Cunningham
The biggest barrier to accessible PDFs is the nature of PDF itself. It is essentially a preprint format that deals with glyphs rather than characters. For complex scripts that require glyph reordering, I haven't come across a software solution that can generate suitable PDFs. Andrew On Monday, 2

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Zdenek Wagner
Hi all, if you use Something... you are not using XML properly. The purpose of XML is to describe the structure of a document, not its appearance. Generally you will print the information from the XML file in a different order or you will print just a part of it. As the second step you will run XS

Re: [XeTeX] Kannada TeX package

2015-04-27 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Dear Shivashankar, I'm moving the answer to the mailing list where other people will be able to help you better than I can (please CC him). On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Shiva Shankar wrote: > > Hi Mojca, > > My name is Shivashankar and I am from Srirangapatna, Karnataka, India. I > wanted t

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Philip Taylor
Zdenek Wagner wrote: > if you use Something... > you are not using XML properly. The purpose of XML is to describe the > structure of a document, not its appearance. Yes, the element describes the structure; attributes such as those you quote in the example above convey hints about its intended

Re: [XeTeX] Kannada TeX package

2015-04-27 Thread Zdenek Wagner
Dear Shivashankar, I do not know Kannada, I even do not know other scripts, I know only Devanagari and I think that the problems will be similar. Hyphenation in Unicode aware engines is quite simple, if you have the patterns. TeX hyphenates words and a word is defined as a sequence of characters w

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2015-04-27 13:27 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor : > > > Zdenek Wagner wrote: > > > if you use Something... > > you are not using XML properly. The purpose of XML is to describe the > > structure of a document, not its appearance. > > Yes, the element describes the structure; attributes such as those > yo

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Philip Taylor
Zdenek Wagner wrote: > Formatting advices should better be present in processing instructions. > You can type etc. Why do you write "better", Zdeněk ? They /can/ be expressed as processing instructions, but that would require an augmented parser; they can equally well be expressed as attribu

Re: [XeTeX] Future *TeX [was: XeTeX maintenance]

2015-04-27 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Hello Simon, Thanks very much for this detailed information. Obviously (for now) there is plenty there that I don’t get, terminology-wise, but no surprise. I’ll keep this handy and work on it as I can. I never really worked with C (I was a B programmer back in the day) and am now working on Swift

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Simon Cozens
On 27/04/2015 19:39, Philip Taylor wrote: > As to whether "XML is a particularly good format not only here or for > anything", all I can say is that in my experience we (humanity, that is) > have not yet come up with anything better; LaTeX 2e, by explicitly > permitting the conflation of form and c

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2015-04-27 13:57 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor : > > > Zdenek Wagner wrote: > > > Formatting advices should better be present in processing instructions. > > You can type etc. > > Why do you write "better", Zdeněk ? They /can/ be expressed as > processing instructions, but that would require an augme

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2015-04-27 15:00 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor : > > > Zdenek Wagner wrote: > > > If you want to describe the page layout in a structured way, the > > ... markup might cause other mark up not well formed. Of course, > > if the XML is for your own purpose, you can do anything. Even if it is > > not sug

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Philip Taylor
Zdenek Wagner wrote: > If you want to describe the page layout in a structured way, the > ... markup might cause other mark up not well formed. Of course, > if the XML is for your own purpose, you can do anything. Even if it is > not suggested by XML experts, it may be helpful. And if you like

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
> > As to whether "XML is a particularly good format not only here or for > anything", all I can say is that in my experience we (humanity, that is) > have not yet come up with anything better; LaTeX 2e, by explicitly > permitting the conflation of form and content, fails abysmally in this > respec

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Ross Moore
Hi all, On 28/04/2015, at 0:40, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: >> >> As to whether "XML is a particularly good format not only here or for >> anything", all I can say is that in my experience we (humanity, that is) >> have not yet come up with anything better; LaTeX 2e, by explicitly >> permitting

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Martin Schröder
2015-04-27 16:40 GMT+02:00 Apostolos Syropoulos : > Many consider that JSON will eventually replace XML. Only if JSON gets schemes. http://json-schema.org/ exists, but is not widely used. Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List informat

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Douglas McKenna
Ross Moore wrote - > On 27/04/2015, at 10:05 AM, Douglas McKenna wrote: > >> Given that the number of TeX input files using ^^u is likely miniscule, and >> the number of those that follow the ^^u or ^^U with four or six hex digits >> is even smaller, it seemed like a worthwhile benefit vs. cost

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread David Carlisle
On 27 April 2015 at 01:05, Douglas McKenna wrote: > Joseph Wright wrote: > > > \def\"{0}\expandafter\def\csname^00022\endcsname{1} > > \ifnum\"=0 \message{tex82}\else\message{newstuff}\fi > > When I implemented a Unicode escape sequence extension using double-caret > notation in the JSBox TeX

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread David Carlisle
On 27 April 2015 at 23:41, Douglas McKenna wrote: > Ross Moore wrote - > > > On 27/04/2015, at 10:05 AM, Douglas McKenna wrote: > > > >> Given that the number of TeX input files using ^^u is likely miniscule, > and the number of those that follow the ^^u or ^^U with four or six hex > digits is ev

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Douglas McKenna
David Carlisle wrote - > Introducing incompatible syntax for functionality shared across Unicode TeX > extensions > is a major headache for package authors. Please don't use this syntax! Understood. > That isn't at all clear, I don't see any evidence that the equivalent &#; > notation in

Re: [XeTeX] Kannada TeX package

2015-04-27 Thread Shiva Shankar
Thank you sir. Now I will start working on that. Thanks a lot once again. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Zdenek Wagner wrote: > Dear Shivashankar, > > I do not know Kannada, I even do not know other scripts, I know only > Devanagari and I think that the problems will be similar. Hyphenation

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Joseph Wright
On 28/04/2015 00:48, Douglas McKenna wrote: >> That isn't at all clear, I don't see any evidence that the equivalent >> &#; notation in XML is getting less used. For runs of natural language >> text then clearly using character data directly makes more sense >> but to get specific symbols ac