Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 06:00:41PM -0400, Joel C. Salomon wrote: > On 06/11/2011 05:32 AM, Vafa Khalighi wrote: > > So Iranians from the first day called their country Eran or Iran and > > Greeks and West world called it Persia. There is no disagreement between > > Iranians for the English version

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

On 06/11/2011 05:32 AM, Vafa Khalighi wrote: > So Iranians from the first day called their country Eran or Iran and > Greeks and West world called it Persia. There is no disagreement between > Iranians for the English version of the language. All Iranians believe > that the language should be calle

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

> > That's so silly that you better return to kindergarten! > > Homosexuality exists world-wide as a natural phenomenon, as is the colour > of eyes (or the language or the script). Some cultures are great and > tolerant, some (Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, TV preachers) are not. > > good for you!

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

> Can you name one single movie of Hollywood which was not offensive to > Persians? > > > Err, Terminator? > You really did not understand the question or you are trying to make fun? > > > or Let me ask my question the other way, Can you name a movie that has > been made about any of Persian

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Hi Phil, All I wanted to say is that educated people should not take too seriously movies etc. No further comment. A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http:/

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Am 11.06.2011 um 16:23 schrieb Vafa Khalighi: Further homosexuality originated from Greece. That's so silly that you better return to kindergarten! Homosexuality exists world-wide as a natural phenomenon, as is the colour of eyes (or the language or the script). Some cultures are great

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Le 11/06/2011 16:23, Vafa Khalighi a écrit : The problem is that some people think they are the center of the universe and the rest have only one purpose: to harm them! Can you name one single movie of Hollywood which was not offensive to Persians? Err, Terminator? or Let me

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Vafa, Apostolos : it is my fault more than any that this off-topic thread has taken off, but if we must continue with it, could it least be restricted to matters linguistic rather where it is currently heading ? ** Phil. -- Subscriptions, Archive,

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

> > The problem is that some people think they are the center of the universe > and the rest > > have only one purpose: to harm them! Can you name one single movie of Hollywood which was not offensive to Persians? or Let me ask my question the other way, Can you name a movie that has been made ab

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

> One obvious example is the films that has been made about Ancient Persians, > for instance > in the film "Alexander" made in 2004, they introduce Persians as cruel and Bloodthirsty > and on the other hand they introduce Greeks as angels. So we simply can not > trust West! The problem is th

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Thanks Gareth for sharing your knowledge. However, we never adopted Arabic as our language. After Arabs conquest, we spoke Arabic for 200 years but then Yaghoug Leith Saffari made the Persian language, the official language again. He is known as the father of Dari Persian. The main sensetivity betw

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

> Fine, that clarifies matters perfectly ! > I did not mean to be rude and if that is how it looked, then I apologise from the bottom of my heart. Maybe I should have said few more words about this. Our nation do not have any good memory with British and this has made us very sensitives so maybe i

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been learning Middle Persian or Pahlavi (never Middle Farsi or Fahlabi!). The language is called Pārsīg (p'lsyk) at that period. The adoption of the spelling with F is an arabicisation during the Islamic period. Then, Arabic became the prestige la

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been learning Middle Persian or Pahlavi (never Middle Farsi or Fahlabi!). The language is called Pārsīg (p'lsyk) at that period. The adoption of the spelling with F is an arabicisation during the Islamic period. Then, Arabic became the prestige la

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

ply (even at times on this list). John Don’t forget: much of this is a matter of politics! Georg - Original Message - From: Vafa Khalighi To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms Sent: 11 June 2011 10:09 Subject: Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Vafa Khalighi wrote: Philip Taylor wrote : What gives the people of one nation the right to tell the people of another nation what the latter must call the language of the former ? The same right that allowed British conspiracies in Iran for the past 200 years. Fine, that cl

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Persian, as you well know. But now we are asked to call the country "Iran", > and the people "Iranian", so preferred names can change. And while it is > most certainly not for me to say whether "Persian" or "Farsi" is the better > name > for the language today, if there is disagreement amongst t

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

in pretty short supply (even at times on this list). John - Original Message - From: Vafa Khalighi To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms Sent: 11 June 2011 10:09 Subject: Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi OK, understood, but I also feel that it rather

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Vafa Khalighi wrote: What is the historical name of the language of Persian nation in the west? is it Farsi or Persian? Was it Persian empire or Farsian Empire? Persian, as you well know. But now we are asked to call the country "Iran", and the people "Iranian", so preferred names can cha

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

> >> But if the Persian name for the Persian language is, in transliteration, >> *Fārsī*, >> is it really logical for the Persian nation (or should I here be writing >> "Iranian" ? >> This is quite a linguistic minefield) to seek to tell the West that while >> it >> is perfectly normal for a Persia

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

OK, understood, but I also feel that it rather begs the question (the English > name, that is, not your answer). Because if the received wisdom were that > the > preferred English name for the language was Farsi and not Persian, then > the English name of the Academy would surely be the the “Aca

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Georg Duffner wrote: On 2011-06-11 10:27, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: If the Academy of Persian Language and Literature "clearly advocates the use of the word 'Persian' not 'Farsi' ", why does it then use the wo

Re: [XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

On 2011-06-11 10:27, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: If the Academy of Persian Language and Literature "clearly advocates the use of the word 'Persian' not 'Farsi' ", why does it then use the word 'Farsi' in its own na

[XeTeX] [Off-topic] Persian versus Farsi

Vafa Khalighi wrote: A while ago, I insisted on using the word "Persian" instead "Farsi". My friend, Shapour * *Suren-Pahlav from the circle of ancient Iranian studies has written an article about this. You can see his article here: http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Languages/persian_not_farsi.ht