[XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

Due to lack of time, skills and motivation, I’ll be no longer able to work on XeTeX, so I’m stepping down as a maintainer. Regards, Khaled -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex

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On 25/04/2015 18:31, Khaled Hosny wrote: > Due to lack of time, skills and motivation, I’ll be no longer able to > work on XeTeX, so I’m stepping down as a maintainer. > > Regards, > Khaled Hello Khaled, Thanks for all of your work on XeTeX: it has been very much appreciated. Joseph ---

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> > Due to lack of time, skills and motivation, I’ll be no longer able to > work on XeTeX, so I’m stepping down as a maintainer. > These are not good news. I think this means the project has no maintainer, right? If this is true I could try to help but I am not sure whether I can do the work

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Thanks Khaled for all your hard work. I am really grateful to you for the effort you put in. I am also interested in working on xetex as a maintainer. -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex

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Dear Khaled, Your efforts have been deeply appreciated. I can only imagine the time this must have cost. Best wishes in your other endeavours! K On 2015-04-25, 13:31, "Khaled Hosny" wrote: >Due to lack of time, skills and motivation, I¹ll be no longer able to >work on XeTeX, so I¹m stepping d

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On 25 April 2015 at 18:31, Khaled Hosny wrote: > Due to lack of time, skills and motivation, I’ll be no longer able to > work on XeTeX, so I’m stepping down as a maintainer. > > Regards, > Khaled > > Khaled, thanks for all your work on this. I have a horrible feeling that my tex--xet bug repor

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* Skriv a reas Khaled Hosny (khaledho...@eglug.org): |> Due to lack of time, skills and motivation, I’ll be no longer able to |> work on XeTeX, so I’m stepping down as a maintainer. |> |> Regards, |> Khaled I thank you for all the work, dedication, and grace you brought to XeTeX. I

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Thank you, Khaled, for all you've done. Dominik Wujastyk -- Dr Dominik Wujastyk Department of South Asia, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies , University of Vienna, Spitalgasse 2-4, Courtyard 2, Entrance 2.1 1090 Vienna, Austria and Adjunct Professor, Division of Health and Hum

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To my mind, XeTeX /is/ the future of TeX. The days of entering "français" as "fran\c cais" are surely numbered, and it has never been possible to enter "العربية", "ελληνικά" or "עברית" (etc) in an analogous way. Therefore, is it not time to petition the TUG Board to adopt XeTeX as a formal TUG pr

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On 26/04/2015 11:47, Philip Taylor wrote: > To my mind, XeTeX /is/ the future of TeX. The days of entering > "français" as "fran\c cais" are surely numbered, and it has never been > possible to enter "العربية", "ελληνικά" or "עברית" (etc) in an analogous > way. Therefore, is it not time to petiti

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Joseph Wright wrote: > The problem as always is not so much money as people. Yes, I do appreciate that, but sometimes money is also an obstacle ("do I work on X, which will help keep a roof over my head, or on XeTeX, which may bring me fame but which may also result in my eviction ?"). > [Also

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On 26/04/2015 12:00, Philip Taylor wrote: > > > Joseph Wright wrote: > >> The problem as always is not so much money as people. > > Yes, I do appreciate that, but sometimes money is also an obstacle ("do > I work on X, which will help keep a roof over my head, or on XeTeX, > which may bring me

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Joseph Wright wrote: > See for example details in > http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/86/what-are-the-incompatibilities-of-pdftex-xetex-and-luatex > for places where there are edge cases. The most obvious would be that > XeTeX requires the xdvipdfmx back-end (so differences at the \spec

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On 26/04/2015 12:16, Philip Taylor wrote: > > > Joseph Wright wrote: > >> See for example details in >> http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/86/what-are-the-incompatibilities-of-pdftex-xetex-and-luatex >> for places where there are edge cases. The most obvious would be that >> XeTeX requir

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Joseph Wright wrote: > The problem is that WEB code is *hard* to work with! Some would argue (and I am one of them) that it was far easier before Web2C became involved ... But now we digress, so please do not feel obliged to respond. ** Phil.

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

On 25/4/15 18:31, Khaled Hosny wrote: Due to lack of time, skills and motivation, I’ll be no longer able to work on XeTeX, so I’m stepping down as a maintainer. Regards, Khaled Many thanks, Khaled, for all you've done over the past few years to maintain and improve XeTeX. Your contribution t

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بارك الله فيك أخي خالد... 2015-04-26 13:08 UTC+01:00, Jonathan Kew : > On 25/4/15 18:31, Khaled Hosny wrote: >> Due to lack of time, skills and motivation, I’ll be no longer able to >> work on XeTeX, so I’m stepping down as a maintainer. >> >> Regards, >> Khaled > > > Many thanks, Khaled, for all

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Hi all, On 26/04/2015, at 20:51, Joseph Wright wrote: > On 26/04/2015 11:47, Philip Taylor wrote: >> To my mind, XeTeX /is/ the future of TeX. The days of entering >> "français" as "fran\c cais" are surely numbered, and it has never been >> possible to enter "العربية", "ελληνικά" or "עברית" (et

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On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Ross Moore wrote: > > No standard TeX implementation currently comes close to producing Tagged PDF. ConTeXt MkIV does: https://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb31-3/tb99hagen.pdf But of course that doesn't address the problem for LaTeXt users until someone writes a suit

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Hi Mojca, > On 27 Apr 2015, at 6:53 am, Mojca Miklavec > wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Ross Moore wrote: >> >> No standard TeX implementation currently comes close to producing Tagged PDF. > > ConTeXt MkIV does: >https://www.tug.org/TUG

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I'd like to add a voice of support to Philip's suggestion about petitioning the TUG Board to adopt XeTeX as a formal TUG project. To be honest, I was startled that it doesn't already have such recognition. There's a big community of us using XeTeX and it really should be close to the heart of TUG

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Joseph Wright wrote: > \def\"{0}\expandafter\def\csname^00022\endcsname{1} > \ifnum\"=0 \message{tex82}\else\message{newstuff}\fi When I implemented a Unicode escape sequence extension using double-caret notation in the JSBox TeX-language interpreter I've been working on (which is all 21-bi

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Hi Doug, On 27/04/2015, at 10:05 AM, Douglas McKenna wrote: > Given that the number of TeX input files using ^^u is likely miniscule, and > the number of those that follow the ^^u or ^^U with four or six hex digits is > even smaller, it seemed like a worthwhile benefit vs. cost, > compatibilit

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On 27/04/2015 00:22, Ross Moore wrote: >> But of course that doesn't address the problem for LaTeXt users until >> someone writes a suitable/comparable package (maybe someone did >> already, I didn't try to follow). > > I have coding for much of what is needed, using the modified pdfTeX. > But the

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Joseph Wright wrote: > Somewhat away from the original topic, but it strikes me that building a > tagged PDF is going to be much more problematic at the macro layer than > at the engine level: is that fair? Deciding what elements of a document > are 'structure' is hard, and in 'real' documents i

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On 27/04/2015 01:05, Douglas McKenna wrote: > Joseph Wright wrote: > >> \def\"{0}\expandafter\def\csname^00022\endcsname{1} >> \ifnum\"=0 \message{tex82}\else\message{newstuff}\fi > > When I implemented a Unicode escape sequence extension using double-caret > notation in the JSBox TeX-langua

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Hi Joseph, On 27/04/2015, at 4:19 PM, Joseph Wright wrote: > On 27/04/2015 00:22, Ross Moore wrote: >>> But of course that doesn't address the problem for LaTeXt users until >>> someone writes a suitable/comparable package (maybe someone did >>> already, I didn't try to follow). >> >> I have cod

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On 27/04/2015 07:35, Philip Taylor wrote: > Going even further off-topic, but pursuing this one aspect of the > thread, is there not only real one problem : the need to educate users > to cease marking up their documents in raw (La)TeX syntax, and instead > to express them in well-formed XML ? I

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On 27/04/2015 08:43, Ross Moore wrote: > Hi Joseph, > > On 27/04/2015, at 4:19 PM, Joseph Wright wrote: > >> On 27/04/2015 00:22, Ross Moore wrote: But of course that doesn't address the problem for LaTeXt users until someone writes a suitable/comparable package (maybe someone did

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Joseph Wright wrote: > On 27/04/2015 07:35, Philip Taylor wrote: >> Going even further off-topic, but pursuing this one aspect of the >> thread, is there not only real one problem : the need to educate users >> to cease marking up their documents in raw (La)TeX syntax, and instead >> to express

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The biggest barrier to accessible PDFs is the nature of PDF itself. It is essentially a preprint format that deals with glyphs rather than characters. For complex scripts that require glyph reordering, I haven't come across a software solution that can generate suitable PDFs. Andrew On Monday, 2

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Hi all, if you use Something... you are not using XML properly. The purpose of XML is to describe the structure of a document, not its appearance. Generally you will print the information from the XML file in a different order or you will print just a part of it. As the second step you will run XS

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Zdenek Wagner wrote: > if you use Something... > you are not using XML properly. The purpose of XML is to describe the > structure of a document, not its appearance. Yes, the element describes the structure; attributes such as those you quote in the example above convey hints about its intended

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2015-04-27 13:27 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor : > > > Zdenek Wagner wrote: > > > if you use Something... > > you are not using XML properly. The purpose of XML is to describe the > > structure of a document, not its appearance. > > Yes, the element describes the structure; attributes such as those > yo

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Zdenek Wagner wrote: > Formatting advices should better be present in processing instructions. > You can type etc. Why do you write "better", Zdeněk ? They /can/ be expressed as processing instructions, but that would require an augmented parser; they can equally well be expressed as attribu

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On 27/04/2015 19:39, Philip Taylor wrote: > As to whether "XML is a particularly good format not only here or for > anything", all I can say is that in my experience we (humanity, that is) > have not yet come up with anything better; LaTeX 2e, by explicitly > permitting the conflation of form and c

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2015-04-27 13:57 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor : > > > Zdenek Wagner wrote: > > > Formatting advices should better be present in processing instructions. > > You can type etc. > > Why do you write "better", Zdeněk ? They /can/ be expressed as > processing instructions, but that would require an augme

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2015-04-27 15:00 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor : > > > Zdenek Wagner wrote: > > > If you want to describe the page layout in a structured way, the > > ... markup might cause other mark up not well formed. Of course, > > if the XML is for your own purpose, you can do anything. Even if it is > > not sug

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Zdenek Wagner wrote: > If you want to describe the page layout in a structured way, the > ... markup might cause other mark up not well formed. Of course, > if the XML is for your own purpose, you can do anything. Even if it is > not suggested by XML experts, it may be helpful. And if you like

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> > As to whether "XML is a particularly good format not only here or for > anything", all I can say is that in my experience we (humanity, that is) > have not yet come up with anything better; LaTeX 2e, by explicitly > permitting the conflation of form and content, fails abysmally in this > respec

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Hi all, On 28/04/2015, at 0:40, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: >> >> As to whether "XML is a particularly good format not only here or for >> anything", all I can say is that in my experience we (humanity, that is) >> have not yet come up with anything better; LaTeX 2e, by explicitly >> permitting

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2015-04-27 16:40 GMT+02:00 Apostolos Syropoulos : > Many consider that JSON will eventually replace XML. Only if JSON gets schemes. http://json-schema.org/ exists, but is not widely used. Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List informat

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Ross Moore wrote - > On 27/04/2015, at 10:05 AM, Douglas McKenna wrote: > >> Given that the number of TeX input files using ^^u is likely miniscule, and >> the number of those that follow the ^^u or ^^U with four or six hex digits >> is even smaller, it seemed like a worthwhile benefit vs. cost

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On 27 April 2015 at 01:05, Douglas McKenna wrote: > Joseph Wright wrote: > > > \def\"{0}\expandafter\def\csname^00022\endcsname{1} > > \ifnum\"=0 \message{tex82}\else\message{newstuff}\fi > > When I implemented a Unicode escape sequence extension using double-caret > notation in the JSBox TeX

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On 27 April 2015 at 23:41, Douglas McKenna wrote: > Ross Moore wrote - > > > On 27/04/2015, at 10:05 AM, Douglas McKenna wrote: > > > >> Given that the number of TeX input files using ^^u is likely miniscule, > and the number of those that follow the ^^u or ^^U with four or six hex > digits is ev

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David Carlisle wrote - > Introducing incompatible syntax for functionality shared across Unicode TeX > extensions > is a major headache for package authors. Please don't use this syntax! Understood. > That isn't at all clear, I don't see any evidence that the equivalent &#; > notation in

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On 28/04/2015 00:48, Douglas McKenna wrote: >> That isn't at all clear, I don't see any evidence that the equivalent >> &#; notation in XML is getting less used. For runs of natural language >> text then clearly using character data directly makes more sense >> but to get specific symbols ac

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On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 02:13:08PM -0700, Gildas Hamel wrote: > I thank you for all the work, dedication, and grace you brought to > XeTeX. I'm an end user who barely understands how it all works. I keep > marveling at the wonders Xe(La)TeX and Lua(La)TeX typesetting allows > me to do daily. I fu