Hi All, Phillip.
Let recap the situation here:
The original post from Scott stated he had a problem going from his wiki
to PDF via Xe(La)TeX! His problem involved texts with mixed directionality.
I did not express myself very well and should have said that in unicode one
can identify
Hi Phillip,
I will repeat I do not know Vietnamese so I can not give you
the utf-8 sequence for it. All I can say that in utf-8 the singular letters will
be encoded in multi-bytes whereas the english letters will be just one byte.
Now, i also, mentioned that differentiating western language
2013/12/10 Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de:
Hi Phillip,
I will repeat I do not know Vietnamese so I can not give you
the utf-8 sequence for it. All I can say that in utf-8 the singular letters
will
be encoded in multi-bytes whereas the english letters will be just one byte.
It has no
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/12/10 Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de:
I will repeat I do not know Vietnamese so I can not give you
[...]
Now, if sang is true Vietnamese and not a latinized form stand corrected!
Though I have
[...]
8
On 11/12/2013 5:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote:
..which is indeed the issue I am attempting to deal with (trying to
put the discussion back on track) -- a bunch of user authored content
which looks correct to a native speaker when using the unicode bidi
algorithm
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 04:36:31AM +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote:
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:11:27AM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com
wrote:
2013/12/10 Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de:
I will repeat I do not know
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 08:36:53AM +1100, Andrew Cunningham wrote:
More to the point which libraries is XeTeX using for Bidi support me how
up-to-date are they?
The issue is not the libraries (we use ICU which implemented the latest
BiDi algorithm changes in its last release), but the fact that
Hi Khaled,
your question can not be serious!
It is pretty much in the standard!
True enough that for most western languages american, english, spanish,
german, austrian, etc. this is somewhat difficult. Yet, these are not causing
the problems.
regards
Keith.
Am 05.12.2013 um 09:46
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 09:22:10AM +0100, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
Hi Khaled,
your question can not be serious!
No, it is.
It is pretty much in the standard!
No.
True enough that for most western languages american, english, spanish,
german, austrian, etc. this is somewhat difficult.
Hi Khaled,
I would agree with you if the text was not encoded in unicode!
A properly encoded utf-8 string should contain everything you need!
Unfortunately, for efficiency reasons, utf-8 strings are not properly
encoded and programs assume a particular language, to save space.
In multi-language
Keith -- could you possible supply an example of
a properly encoded utf-8 string from which it
can be unambiguously determined whether the string
sang is an English word (the past tense of sing)
or a Vietnamese word meaning to, posh or knowingly
in English ? Could you also paste that string into
2013/12/9 Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
Keith -- could you possible supply an example of
a properly encoded utf-8 string from which it
can be unambiguously determined whether the string
sang is an English word (the past tense of sing)
or a Vietnamese word meaning to, posh or knowingly
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013, Khaled Hosny wrote:
U+E0001 U+E0065 U+E006E U+0073 U+0061 U+006E U+0067
And it is a kind of tagging, so beyond the scope of identifying the
language of *untagged* text (which is the claim that spurred all this
discussion).
The claim was A properly encoded utf-8 string
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
A bit off topic, dou you know a good Linux text editor woth properly
implemented bidi algorithm so that I could type multilingual texts?
No, I don't really do any work with RTL languages myself. Wikipedia's
comparison list at
On 2013-12-09 11:15, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
A bit off topic, dou you know a good Linux text editor woth properly
implemented bidi algorithm so that I could type multilingual texts?
Yudit (http://www.yudit.org/) claims to be that. I have not used it.
Mike Maxwell
In my particular case, I have citations in (for example) the arabic
wikipedia, which cite references on English or Turkish webpages (to
cite the example of the arwiki article on 'Istanbul'). The original
author of the article did not explicitly mark the language of the
reference, because the
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
feeding the output to xelatex. That work won't help others who find
themselves in a similar situation (or document authors who would
prefer not to have to explicitly annotate every LTR embedding), but it
The software also doesn't automatically
On 12/09/2013 10:15 AM, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
A bit off topic, dou you know a good Linux text editor woth properly
implemented bidi algorithm so that I could type multilingual texts?
Evne the combination of Urdu and TeX macros is a pain, it is not easy
to type
\textbf{میں نے
\today\
کو سب کچھ
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 09:32:05AM -0600, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013, Khaled Hosny wrote:
U+E0001 U+E0065 U+E006E U+0073 U+0061 U+006E U+0067
And it is a kind of tagging, so beyond the scope of identifying the
language of *untagged* text (which is the claim
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:40:21PM -0600, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
feeding the output to xelatex. That work won't help others who find
themselves in a similar situation (or document authors who would
prefer not to have to explicitly
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013, Khaled Hosny wrote:
Now you beat Keith in Who Wrote The Most Nonessential Text In This
Thread contest.
Well, it's always nice to be a winner.
--
Matthew Skala
msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca People before principles.
http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/
Keith J. Schultz wrote:
Hi Phillip,
1) I do not know Vietnamese!
2) If I did uses the proper BMP would give me the answer.
As sang would be a sequence of singualr octcets, and Vietnamese
would use multi-byte sequences!
case closed! Like I mentioned there are often ways
Am 07.12.2013 01:28, schrieb Dominik Wujastyk:
I'm sensing, I think, that you don't like that font, Khaled?
Dominik :-)
He’s not alone and the Arabic is not the only problem...
Georg
2013/12/5 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
Please, please, please, never ever use GNU free font
Not at all! I even designed a companion Latin font, so that readers of
Latin script can enjoy the same quality and polishes of FreeSerif that
Arabic script reader enjoy:
http://www.khaledhosny.org/files/tmp/freeserif.html
Please use both and don’t let Arabic readers have all the joy.
Regards,
2013/12/7 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
Not at all! I even designed a companion Latin font, so that readers of
Latin script can enjoy the same quality and polishes of FreeSerif that
Arabic script reader enjoy:
http://www.khaledhosny.org/files/tmp/freeserif.html
Do I understand well
On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 03:15:53PM +0100, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
2013/12/7 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
Not at all! I even designed a companion Latin font, so that readers of
Latin script can enjoy the same quality and polishes of FreeSerif that
Arabic script reader enjoy:
I'm sensing, I think, that you don't like that font, Khaled?
Dominik :-)
2013/12/5 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
Please, please, please, never ever use GNU free font for Arabic; it is
the most hideous, crappy and useless un-Arabic font ever created, my
blood boils every time I
Hi Scott,
We are talking Unicode here right! What is there to guess?
Then there is always the possibility of having the text tagged when written by
the original
author. Of course, only when you can control his input tools.
Lua(La)TeX has other great feature. You have a complete programming
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 09:41:04AM +0100, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
Hi Scott,
We are talking Unicode here right! What is there to guess?
And how do you, using Unicode, tell in what language is this line
written?
Regards,
Khaled
--
On 4/12/13 13:24, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
The goal is to match the Unicode bidi algorithm, because that is how the
web page displays and thus how the original author saw the text as they
wrote.
This would be a nice enhancement, but would require a significant amount
of work (or in other
2013/12/5 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 12:31:58AM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:42:21PM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
Does XeLaTeX implement the Unicode BiDi
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 12:29:40PM +0100, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
2013/12/5 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 12:31:58AM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:42:21PM -0500,
2013/12/5 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 12:29:40PM +0100, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
2013/12/5 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 12:31:58AM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org
Can anyone point me to docs on XeT--TeX? A Google the other day failed to
turn up anything useful.
Also: polyglossia appears to be doing some amount of LTR/RTL directionality
switching based on the character block. Can anyone offer advice on how to
avoid fighting with that, if I'm implementing
On Dec 5, 2013, at 7:48 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote:
Can anyone point me to docs on XeT--TeX? A Google the other day failed to
turn up anything useful.
On your TeX system, texdoc xetex gives the main documentation. But the bidi
documentation, polyglossia documentation and
On 5/12/13 12:48, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
Can anyone point me to docs on XeT--TeX? A Google the other day failed
to turn up anything useful.
(TeX--XeT, not XeT--TeX.)
This is part of e-TeX; see the e-TeX manual[1], section 4.1.
HTH,
JK
[1]
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:42:21PM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
Does XeLaTeX implement the Unicode BiDi algorithm?
Short answer: no.
I think sample documents (minimal working example) are needed for any
useful
The goal is to match the Unicode bidi algorithm, because that is how the
web page displays and thus how the original author saw the text as they
wrote. Guessing the proper language tag to use is likely infeasible; note
that the example given contains titles in Turkish as well as English. The
2013/12/4 C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net:
The goal is to match the Unicode bidi algorithm, because that is how the web
page displays and thus how the original author saw the text as they wrote.
Guessing the proper language tag to use is likely infeasible; note that the
example given
Well first step is implementing and providing ways of using the bidi alg
and its changes in Unicode 6.3, especially being able to leverage off bidi
isolation.
Andrew
On 4 December 2013 20:07, Keith J. Schultz schul...@uni-trier.de wrote:
Hi Scott,
Am 03.12.2013 um 19:42 schrieb C. Scott
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 12:31:58AM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:42:21PM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
Does XeLaTeX implement the Unicode BiDi algorithm?
Short answer: no.
I think
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 11:50:05PM +0100, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
2013/12/4 C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net:
3) Arabic comma instead of English comma in citation [23]. (in both
web and XeLaTeX output)
The engine cannot recognize the context if the language is not tagged,
the comma will
I'm using Xe(La)Tex for a rewrite of the PDF booklet backend for the
Wikimedia Foundation (Wikipedia). It's going pretty well, and the
output looks good across a wide variety of Wikipedia's languages, but
I'm having an issue with mixed RTL/LTR texts. I'm using the
polyglossia package (and hence
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:42:21PM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
Does XeLaTeX implement the Unicode BiDi algorithm?
Short answer: no.
Long answer: XeTeX, more or less, breaks words at spaces or other
non-character material (spaces in TeX are converted to the so called
glue, so are not handled
2013/12/3 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:42:21PM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
Does XeLaTeX implement the Unicode BiDi algorithm?
Short answer: no.
Long answer: XeTeX, more or less, breaks words at spaces or other
non-character material (spaces in TeX are
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