Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

2017-07-14 Thread fred roller
> We won't achieve a "unified" system base unless and until we have. > either a monopoly that actually runs ALL computers, or a far better > educational system that teaches everyone how to use a computer well > enough to learn from the real unified level (Linux kernel & GNU > utilities) up. and...

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-14 Thread fred roller
..hmmm, even the apple seed dreams of being a fruitful tree one day. That said, know the difference between profit and greed. And turning the wheel sharply to come back to topic... Proprietary OS's are extrinsically motivated in profit, power, et al. Linux is intrinsically motivated for a commu

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-14 Thread Guang Chao
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > And since when is capitalism a good thing? A system that puts a price on > human life and renders the hypocrates oath of doctors a farse and a charade > of hypocrisy, where you can only get medical treatment if you can afford to > pay for it

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-14 Thread Guang Chao
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:19 PM, fred roller wrote: > ..hmmm, > > even the apple seed dreams of being a fruitful tree one day. That said, > know the difference between profit and greed. And turning the wheel > sharply to come back to topic... > > Proprietary OS's are extrinsically motivated in

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-14 Thread Joao Monteiro
Yes there is Guang and I for once am one living proof of it. No capitalist system has or will ever succeed in subjugating me and controlling me like they control their slave-filled nations. Ask your masters and you shall be informed. Now... can we get back on track to linux, please? Cheers upfront

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-14 Thread Guang Chao
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Yes there is Guang and I for once am one living proof of it. No capitalist > system has or will ever succeed in subjugating me and controlling me like > they control their slave-filled nations. Ask your masters and you shall be > informed. >

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-14 Thread Joao Monteiro
I tried manjaro once but I had lots of troubles with the hardware. Don't get me wrong, they could all have been sorted via the cli, but being a rookie at linux it was just too confusing to me at the time and the help was scattered all over... That really discouraged me a bit, I got to admit. Then

[xubuntu-users] A side divagation Re: The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-14 Thread Joao Monteiro
OK. I need to make a little detour to see if I can convey what I wish to express in sensible terms. Humans in general like to live in a known environment where they feel comfortable, which we call one's comfort zone. And - in general - humans have an instinctive fear of the unknown (note that "un