Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-26 Thread Andreas Girardet
Fellow Yoper Lovers,thanks for all of your hard work in the past and in the future. Walter and others who know me have recognized that my style actually made Yoper to what it is. My drive and energy made sure that1.) The Distro did install even in alpha versions on standard systems (laptops had

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-26 Thread Petter K
Hi Andreas I agree with a lot of what you say, but you forget one thing when you talk about that there is more developers. There is not ONLY benefits with many developers. More opinions, more arguing, more organizing and more bullshit to get the same amount of work done. Of course there is

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Andreas Girardet
Folksyou know me. I am no enemy of clear words and of action. Honestly, if the attitude of Yoper developers for Eye Candy is that back wards, we might as well shut Yoper down. I will certainly not put my name on the line for a distro that is: 1.) Unstable2.) Takes ages to install3.) Has absolutely

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread yoper-dev
I was a little concerned about this. Is Yoper a community project with no real ownership, or are we doing this with the threat of Andreas pulling the Yoper name if we do not follow his wishes? I need to know now before devoting more time to this. I have already purchased a laptop (although it

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Walter Hieber
I'm not Tobig or Chacks but here is my take: although your concerns are valid I seriously doubt that Yoper will crumble or get pulled away by Andreas. I would agree that the comments by Andreas were probably bad form especially since the project has really grown and now many people contribute

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Chakkaradeep C C
Hi all,On 5/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I was a little concerned about this.Is Yoper a community project with no real ownership, or are we doing this with the threat of Andreas pulling the Yoper name if we do not follow his wishes?I need to know now before devoting more time

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Tobias Gerschner
Hi, I keep my comments short since I prefer a community driven decision supported by the majority. This surely makes things slower but at least it's better supported. 2006/5/26, Chakkaradeep C C [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, On 5/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Navin
hi,after all this confusion...im pretty much confused what is the goal of yoper...whether this goal is a fixed one or does it change according to release cycles...we need a clarity on this issue...andreas has a point to make...we r not strivin to be the next debian...stability can be reached @

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-24 Thread Fabian M. Schindler
Here come my two cents: Humm... You make some good points, however, I agree that Xgl should be near the bottom of the priority list until Titanium. My goals for contributing to yoper is to get a stable working distro first. By my current observations, the system itself is not very stable.

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-24 Thread mark
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 15:46, Fabian M. Schindler wrote: Here come my two cents: Humm... You make some good points, however, I agree that Xgl should be near the bottom of the priority list until Titanium. My goals for contributing to yoper is to get a stable working distro first. By my

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-24 Thread Tobias Gerschner
Hi, is there any knowledge about slowing down systems with XGL ? Or are these just assumptions ? I don't have reviewed this particular matter. FYI: I am somewhat locked away in my current location because the WLAN here got down and I have to use public machines, where I obviously can't do

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-24 Thread mark
On Thursday 25 May 2006 01:00, Tobias Gerschner wrote: Hi, is there any knowledge about slowing down systems with XGL ? Or are these just assumptions ? I don't have reviewed this particular matter. FYI: I am somewhat locked away in my current location because the WLAN here got down and I

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-23 Thread Andreas Girardet
Hi ChakWell, sure SUSE has a large amount of developers, but it is actually not too hard really:1.) Yoper's aim is to be the best looking distro. How can you claim that if you do not have Xgl?2.) Yoper's goal is to be a great KDE desktop and even though Gnome has David Reeveman himself writing the

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-23 Thread yoper-dev
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 15:06, Andreas Girardet wrote: Humm... You make some good points, however, I agree that Xgl should be near the bottom of the priority list until Titanium. My goals for contributing to yoper is to get a stable working distro first. By my current observations, the system

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-21 Thread Tobias Gerschner
2006/5/22, Andreas Girardet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE XGL I think that version 3 has to have Xgl out of the box as it always has been Yoper's strategy to implement anything Eyecandy oriented. SLED 10 will ship with Xgl which certainly means it is ready for prime time. Hi, As you can see on the

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-17 Thread Tobias Gerschner
AFAIK, it really depends on where the distro is registrated. US-based distros need to be way more careful with those patent-issues as e.g. shipping mp3 support out of the box is considered illegal in the US, while it is perfectly legal in many european countries. I don't know of the current

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-16 Thread jelle wierdsma
Hi all,i will work further on kat off course .. and we can include it if it is needed .. but so far i dont have an impression from kat .. that it is totally stable .. but we'll see .. it might also be interesting to build beagle as well .. this will take some time still .. i already looked a bit

[yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-15 Thread Tobias Gerschner
Hi, after some discussion with people around these items were mentioned to be mandatory in any desktop release today: - Native optimised Open Office support - Mail Client that supports corporate mail systems (Exchange and GW) - flash and java support out of the box - Multimedia support out of

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-15 Thread Chakkaradeep C C
Hi,On 5/16/06, Chakkaradeep C C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,On 5/16/06, Tobias Gerschner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,after some discussion with people around these items were mentioned tobe mandatory in any desktop release today:I was about to write a mail regarding this, and now its there :)