Re: [Zen] Buddhist Personality Types

*bows*   I  can't offer anything useful.  But beware behavioral scientists.  They skew the  results.  Steve.. you are so wise in so many ways..   As you point out at times.. is it, - or not, illusory?    What others think  isn't that important.    What you think--- is.. ~ k   p.s.   Bill may fee

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- Forwarded Message From: Deborah Mingins To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Tao. Brett-  You may find some of the answers you are looking for at the website .www.taoistforum.com    Good luck on your jour

[Zen] Re: Zen and Tao.

Anthony, Of course we (humans) are all animals. What else would we be? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Bill, > You should twist Jesus' nose. He is the most dualistic, always speaking about > heaven and hell. > > There is nothing in common between different r

[Zen] Re: Zen and Tao.

ED, 'WTF?!' would be an acceptable non-dualistic response if it were uttered as just an exclamation, like 'Ouch!'. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > > > > Bill, > > My non-dual response is 'mu'.My dualistic response is 'wtf''. > > An intensive form of what; Used

[Zen] Re: Wholesome and unwholesome activity in Buddhism

ED, You do this a lot - post quotes from places - and I'm not sure why your're posting them or what they're supposed to mean. At least you give sources of the quotes which is good. There is no 'universal Law of Cause and Effect'. Humans do hold on to an illusory concept of cause-and-effect,

[Zen] Re: Zen and Tao.

"One thing I'll say for him, Jesus is cool." Caiphus - JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW" wrote: > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > > Bill, > > You should twist Jesus' nose. He is the most dualistic, always speaking > > about heav

Re: [Zen] Zen and Tao.

Snort. That was the first album I totally memorized. On Friday, February 4, 2011, Bill! wrote: > "One thing I'll say for him, > Jesus is cool." > > Caiphus - JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW" wrote: >> >> >> >> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wr

[Zen] Re: Wholesome and unwholesome activity in Buddhism

Bill, I think that you would understand what my posts mean if your e-mail settings did not convert html posts into plain text posts. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" wrote: > > ED, > > You do this a lot - post quotes from places - and I'm not sure why your're posting them or

[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

Steve, Yes, I am interested in chatting about these ancient Buddhist personality temperaments and their application to practice. --ED "... the Buddhist personality types, a 1,600-year old system of typology set forth in the Visuddhimagga, or "The Path of Purification," which summarizes and i

[Zen] Re: Spock?

Definitions: 'feelings' = interior sensations in humans 'emotions' = exterior expressions of feelings 'V-humans' = subset of humans comparable to Vulcans. Then, the statement for 'V-humans' corresponding to your statement below for Vulcans might be: "V-humans experience subdued feelings, a

[Zen] Re: Spock?

Well, I just thought the idea of serenity in control of emotions sounded cool. In any case, it's for me a more palatable version of Vulcans than the initial portrayal of them as essentially robots. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > > > > Definitions: > > 'feelings' = interior s

Re: [Zen] Re: Spock?

I find the direction zen is leading me is not away from my feelings and toward logical thought, but towards an ability to thoroughly know my feelings without subsequently doing regrettable things. Feelings are inseparable from living. I find the idea that logic and reason can be effective goal set

Re: [Zen] Buddhist Personality Types

I took a test to see what type I was, and I found out, according to the test, I was all of them, maybe I have a split personality disorder.  Brett http://www.pbase.com/brett1963 --- On Thu, 2/3/11, SteveW wrote: From: SteveW eugnostos2...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Buddhist Personality Types To

Re: [Zen] Buddhist Personality Types

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain wrote: > > *bows* >   > I  can't offer anything useful.  But beware behavioral scientists.  They > skew the  results.  Steve.. you are so wise in so many ways..   As you > point out at times.. is it, - or not, illusory? >   >  What o

[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > > > > Steve, > > Yes, I am interested in chatting about these ancient Buddhist > personality temperaments and their application to practice. > > --ED > > > > "... the Buddhist personality types, a 1,600-year old system of typology > set fort

Re: [Zen] Re: Spock?

I think logic and wisdom are two different things, here is my definition... logic is knowing the truth, wisdom is applying it.  Brett http://www.pbase.com/brett1963 --- On Fri, 2/4/11, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: From: Chris Austin-Lane Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Spock? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.co

[Zen] Re: Spock?

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > I find the direction zen is leading me is not away from my feelings and > toward logical thought, but towards an ability to thoroughly know my > feelings without subsequently doing regrettable things. Feelings are > inseparable from

[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

Hi Steve - No need to take any test. For at least 25 years I have been aware that I am of the same temperament type as you are. There has been a slight mellowing with age. ;-) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW" wrote: > > Hi ED. LOL! You are a man who obviously knows how to r

[Zen] Re: Spock?

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Re: [Zen] Re: Spock?

Logic isn't knowing the truth, it is various systems for combining sentences to produce new sentences that are equivalently true to the original sentences. Truth is totally independent of logic. Logic can tell you If A, then B, but it can never tell you A. Reason is more tricky, but fortunately

Re: [Zen] Buddhist Personality Types

Very interesting. Thank you, Steve. :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 2/4/2011 9:12 AM, SteveW wrote: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com , Kristy McClain wrote: > > *bows* > Â > IÂ can

[Zen] Re: Wholesome and unwholesome activity in Buddhism

ED, I don't get my posts by email anymore. Just like my zen practice, I go directly to the source. ;>) In the case of these posts, that's the Yahoo! Zen Forum website. I switched when I went to Korea for 2 months because I didn't think I'd have enough time to read them all every day, and I d

[Zen] Re: Spock?

Dave, I think you're correct that Spock was portrayed as unemotional and total logic. That's a computer - or as you say a computer-controlled robot. The important part IMO to remember abou the show was that Kirk was portrayed as a human being with very strong emotions. The two worked together

[Zen] Re: Spock?

Brett, I half-agree with you. Logic has nothing at all to do with the truth. Logic is knowing and following fules. I do agree with you that wisdom is the ability to apply...although I'd say 'apply knowlege' not 'apply truth'. ...Bill! In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Brett Corbin wrote: > > I

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Tao.

Bill,   You should go to live with Comrade Kim Chong Il (perhaps you already did that when you flew to Korea last time), claiming you have a lot in common with him.   Anthony --- On Fri, 4/2/11, Bill! wrote: From: Bill! Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen and Tao. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Frida

Re: [Zen] Re: Spock?

My mistake in the definition of this word, makes me feel not very logical. Brett http://www.pbase.com/brett1963 --- On Fri, 2/4/11, Bill! wrote: From: Bill! Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 5:27 PM Brett, I half-agree with you. Logic

[Zen] Test Post for Dana

Dana, Tell me if you get this post in your email and how it appears to you. Thanks...Bill! [:o)]

[Zen] Re: Zen and Tao.

Anthony, If you don't think you are an animal, what do you think you are? A plant? A mineral? Something else? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Bill, >   > You should go to live with Comrade Kim Chong Il (perhaps you already did that > when you flew to Korea

[Zen] Re: Spock?

Brett, You made no mistake. You expressed your opinion. I expressed mine. Your opinion is your opinion. It can never be wrong unless you lie about what you really think. You opinions can change from day to day however, but that doesn't make your previously held opinons wrong. They're just

Re: [Zen] Re: Spock?

Thanks Bill, What do you think of this statement. A person who applies his or her logic to their day to day life may or may not be wise. Brett http://www.pbase.com/brett1963 --- On Fri, 2/4/11, Bill! wrote: From: Bill! Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday,

[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > > > > Hi Steve - > > No need to take any test. For at least 25 years I have been aware that I > am of the same temperament type as you are. There has been a slight > mellowing with age. ;-) > > --ED > > Hi ED. Oh, I think that there has been

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Tao.

Bill,   We started with 'all religions are the same', expanding to 'all human beings are the same', still extrapolating to 'all animals are the same'. Stopping at 'human beings', it occurred to me that you go to Korea frequently. North and South Koreas are the same. That is why you are most welc