Yes, I think it is similar to near death experiences. Difficult to explain, and
anti-intellectual.
Anthony
--- On Tue, 5/10/10, Maria Lopez wrote:
From: Maria Lopez
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 5 October, 2010, 6:38 PM
kely a cultural and language
issue. I always wish you well.
Kristy
--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Maria Lopez wrote:
From: Maria Lopez
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 8:28 AM
Be re-assure that I do not have any issue w
Ladies...
From: Kristy McClain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 22:16:12
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
No Maria...
It is you with the attachment. You have done this often before, (and I
believe it is deliberate, as I
y. It does not affect me.
Take good care of yourself
Mayka
--- On Tue, 5/10/10, Kristy McClain wrote:
From: Kristy McClain
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 5 October, 2010, 14:16
No Maria...
It is you with the attachment. You ha
well.. Kristy
--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Maria Lopez wrote:
From: Maria Lopez
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 6:53 AM
An unexpected attachment reaction to an incorrect name written. Which have let
you blind to see t
An unexpected attachment reaction to an incorrect name written. Which have let
you blind to see the kindnest of my posting. Oh well, never mind.
--- On Tue, 5/10/10, Kristy McClain wrote:
From: Kristy McClain
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date
away from the reality you
discuss.
Or is this just a means to argue a position? If so, enjoy your fun..
Kristy
--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Edgar Owen wrote:
From: Edgar Owen
Subject: Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 5:22 AM
Maria,
My name is Kristy. Please use my correct name or don't address me at all. k
--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Maria Lopez wrote:
From: Maria Lopez
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 4:38 AM
Kirsty:
It see
risty McClain
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 5 October, 2010, 4:06
*bows*
When I was 25, I had a serious car accident. My car went into a lake, and I
essentially drowned. The freezing temps saved my life by putting my body in
than the meaning I was trying
to communicate.
…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:19 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
When you swim well, your
o do zazen. JMJM Chan site would be a good start.
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Edgar Owen
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:36 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
ED,
Determining what is illus
Hello Chris again:
It sounds good the openeness you're experiencing. I wouldn't say that is only
zen what it changes the way a Christian new approaching but a summary of
different experiences. And the key is always to keep an open mind. Allowing
the heart to be manifested in all its non disc
arned using your intelligence might help you then, or it might
> hinder you. These are functions your body has to learn, not your rational
> mind.
>
> Itâs the same with zen.
>
> â¦Bill!
>
>
>
> *From:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_f
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Edgar,
>
> As usual I agree with some of what you say but not all.
>
> The part I agree with is that zen is not anti anything. I say if
anything it's anti-attachments. I myself winced when I sent the post
affirming that zen is anti-intellectual. It's
m: Chris Austin-Lane
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 8:19 PM
When you swim well, your intelligence is not separate from your action, but
indivisible. At that point the things you could think about swimming, things
you re
Behalf Of *Edgar Owen
*Sent:* Monday, October 04, 2010 4:53 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
Nonsense. Zen is not anti anything except perhaps illusion.
Intelligence is absolutely necess...
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My own problems with Stephen Harper stem more from his propping up a polluting
and potentially Earth-threatening industry, which has much more to do with
worship of money than any religious beliefs. Although I admit he is a very
conservative Christian.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wr
IMO, religion is *not* poison, and in fact is quite *beneficial* to many
or most.
*Every* religion (and atheism too) has sub-groups and individuals who
use its teachings (or non-teachings) in a poisonous way.
For instance, I believe that the Canadian prime minister subscribes to
the beliefs of
No, I'm not demanding anything. I just find it troubling that when one place in
the forum I was addressing was relegated to religious and spiritual discussions
(which I sincerely believe need to be a part of solving the problems we're
facing as a planet), any possible discussion of moderate or
DP,
What concern is that of yours? (Double standards are intrinsic to the
non-Buddha nature of all humans.) Are you demanding that these people
change their ways for you to be happy?
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "DP" wrote:
>
> I guess you're right. However, I still feel that
ED,
Determining what is illusion is not a simple matter that can be put in just a
few words. Here's my article on the nature of mind, reality and illusion.
http://edgarlowen.info/mind.shtml
Edgar
On Oct 4, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ED wrote:
>
>
> [EO] Nonsense. Zen is not anti anything except
[EO] Nonsense. Zen is not anti anything except perhaps illusion.
Edgar,
I currently favor your understanding (subject to further thought and
discussion.)
And, how does one determine when one is under an illusion/delusion and
when not?
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen w
I guess you're right. However, I still feel that the same people who caricature
the Abrahamic religions have no problem doing the same with Buddhism.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> DP and Mike,
>
> I donât want to intrude in your discussion. Youâre doing so well without
> me
I could not have said it better myself. But my minister has always left me with
something to think about.
It was while learning about Buddhism that I came to the conclusion that it
doesn't matter whether Jesus was the son of God or whether he was resurrected.
What matters is what he said.
---
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain wrote:
>
> Well~~  I think buddhism and certainly zen are anti-intellectual. In
> zen, we aim to get rid of our head. The idea is to get out of your own
> way..
> Â
> KristyÂ
>
That isn't their only criticism, of course. But my main
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