Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS memory and swap usage

2007-03-19 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Rainer, Monday, March 19, 2007, 3:07:54 AM, you wrote: RH Thanks for the feedback. Please see below. ZFS should give back memory used for cache to system if applications are demanding it. Right it should but sometimes it won't. However with databases there's simple workaround - as

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS memory and swap usage

2007-03-19 Thread Roch - PAE
Info on tuning the ARC was just recently updated: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide#Memory_and_Dynamic_Reconfiguration_Recommendations -r Rainer Heilke writes: Thanks for the feedback. Please see below. ZFS should give back memory used for cache to

[zfs-discuss] Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-19 Thread Dagobert Michelsen
Hi Richard, The consensus best practice is to have enough RAM that you don't need to swap. If you need to swap, your life will be sad no matter what your disk config is. From my understanding Solaris does not overcommit memory allocation, so every allocation must be backed by some form of

[zfs-discuss] ZFS with raidz

2007-03-19 Thread Kory Wheatley
Using raidz in zfs or raidz2 do all the disks have to be the same size. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS memory and swap usage

2007-03-19 Thread Rainer Heilke
The updated information states that the kernel setting is only for the current Nevada build. We are not going to use the kernel debugger method to change the setting on a live production system (and do this everytime we need to reboot). We're back to trying to set their expectations more

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS memory and swap usage

2007-03-19 Thread Roch - PAE
Rainer Heilke writes: The updated information states that the kernel setting is only for the current Nevada build. We are not going to use the kernel debugger method to change the setting on a live production system (and do this everytime we need to reboot). We're back to trying to

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS memory and swap usage

2007-03-19 Thread JS
I currently run 6 Oracle 9i and 10g dbs using 8GB SGA apiece in containers on a v890 and find no difficulties starting Oracle (though we don't start all the dbs truly simultaneously). The ARC cache doesn't ramp up until a lot of IO has passed through after a reboot (typically a steady rise

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS with raidz

2007-03-19 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Hi Kory, No, they don't have to the same size. But, the pool size will be constrained by the smallest disk and might not be the best use of your disk space. See the output below. I'd be better off mirroring the two 136-GB disks and using the 4 GB-disk for something else. :-) Cindy c0t0d0 =

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS with raidz

2007-03-19 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Kory, Monday, March 19, 2007, 4:47:27 PM, you wrote: KW Using raidz in zfs or raidz2 do all the disks have to be the same size. No, they don't have to be the same size. However all disks will be reduced to common size and once you replace (online) all disks to bigger one the pool size

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: ZFS memory and swap usage

2007-03-19 Thread Rainer Heilke
After bootup, ZFS should have near zero memory in the ARC. This makes sense, and I have no idea how long the server has been running before the test. We can use the above information to help manage their expectations; on boot-up, ARC will be low, so the de-allocation of resources won't be an

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS memory and swap usage

2007-03-19 Thread Rainer Heilke
Thanks. Like above, knowing the ARC takes time to ramp up strongly suggests that it won't be an issue on a normally booting system. It sounds like your needs are much greater, and that your databases are running fine. I can take this information to the DBA's and use it to manage their

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS memory and swap usage

2007-03-19 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Rainer, While I would recommend upgrading to Build 54 or newer to use the system tunable, its not that big of a deal to set the ARC on boot up. We've done it on a T2000 for awhile, until we could take it down for an extended period of time to upgrade it. Definitely WOULD NOT run a database

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS performance with Oracle

2007-03-19 Thread Richard Elling
JS wrote: General Oracle zpool/zfs tuning, from my tests with Oracle 9i and the APS Memory Based Planner and filebench. All tests completed using Solaris 10 update 2 and update 3.: -use zpools with 8k blocksize for data definitely! -don't use zfs for redo logs - use ufs with directio

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-19 Thread Richard Elling
Dagobert Michelsen wrote: Hi Richard, The consensus best practice is to have enough RAM that you don't need to swap. If you need to swap, your life will be sad no matter what your disk config is. From my understanding Solaris does not overcommit memory allocation, so every allocation must

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-19 Thread Ed Gould
Richard Elling wrote: warning: noun/verb overload. In my context, swap is a verb. It is also a common shorthand for swap space. -- --Ed begin:vcard fn:Ed Gould n:Gould;Ed org:Sun Microsystems, Inc.;Solaris Cluster adr;dom:M/S UMPK17-201;;17 Network Circle;Menlo Park;CA;94025

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS memory and swap usage

2007-03-19 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 3/19/07, Robert Milkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Rainer, Monday, March 19, 2007, 4:50:59 PM, you wrote: RH The updated information states that the kernel setting is only RH for the current Nevada build. We are not going to use the kernel RH debugger method to change the setting on a

Re: [zfs-discuss] understanding zfs/thunoer bottlenecks?

2007-03-19 Thread Jens Elkner
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:45:35AM +0100, Roch - PAE wrote: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6460622 Any estimations, when we'll see a [feature] fix for U3? Should I open a call, to perhaps rise the priority for the fix? The bug applies to checksum as well.

[zfs-discuss] ZFS filesystem disappeared after reboot?

2007-03-19 Thread Darren Reed
Using Solaris 10, Update 2 I've just rebooted my desktop and I have discovered that a ZFS filesystem appears to have gone missing. The filesystem in question was called biscuit/home and should have been modified to have its mountpoint set to /export/home. Before the reboot, I did a lot of