Re: [zfs-discuss] New zfs pr0n server :)))

2007-09-06 Thread David Hopwood
Will Murnane wrote: > On 9/6/07, Diego Righi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ...anyway I wanted to make it the most silent I could, so I suspeded all the >> 10 disks > Warning: unfounded speculation ahead. > > I've heard that this can cause performance issues and undue wear on > the drive. The rea

Re: [zfs-discuss] New zfs pr0n server :)))

2007-09-06 Thread MC
> Unfortunately it only comes with 4 adapters, bare > metal adapters without any dampering /silencing and > so on... > ...anyway I wanted to make it the most silent I > could, so I suspeded all the 10 disks (8 sata 320gb > and a little 2,5" pata root disk) with a flexible > wire, like I posted in t

Re: [zfs-discuss] MS Exchange storage on ZFS?

2007-09-06 Thread Andy Lubel
On 9/6/07 2:51 PM, "Joe S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone here attempted to store their MS Exchange data store on a > ZFS pool? If so, could you please tell me about your setup? A friend > is looking for a NAS solution, and may be interested in a ZFS box > instead of a netapp or something

Re: [zfs-discuss] Serious ZFS problems

2007-09-06 Thread Tim Spriggs
Neil Perrin wrote: > > > Tim Spriggs wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I think I have gained "sufficient fool" status for testing the >> fool-proof-ness of zfs. I have a cluster of T1000 servers running >> Solaris 10 and two x4100's running an OpenSolaris dist (Nexenta) >> which is at b68. Each T1000 h

Re: [zfs-discuss] New zfs pr0n server :)))

2007-09-06 Thread Dave Johnson
Agreed ! However, you may be able to lower the sound ever so slightly more by staggering the drives so that every other one is upside down, spinning the opposite direction and thus minimizing accumulative rotational vibration. I had to make a makeshift temporary server when our NAS gateway devi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Serious ZFS problems

2007-09-06 Thread Neil Perrin
Tim Spriggs wrote: > Hello, > > I think I have gained "sufficient fool" status for testing the > fool-proof-ness of zfs. I have a cluster of T1000 servers running > Solaris 10 and two x4100's running an OpenSolaris dist (Nexenta) which > is at b68. Each T1000 hosts several zones each of w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zfs with storedge 6130

2007-09-06 Thread Andy Lubel
On 9/4/07 4:34 PM, "Richard Elling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Andy, > my comments below... > note that I didn't see zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org in the CC for the > original... > > Andy Lubel wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I have been asked to implement a zfs based solution using storedge 6130 and

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Sean Sprague
Casper, > Do you have a reference for "all data in RAM most be held". I guess we > need to build COW RAM as well. Is that one of those genetic hybrids? Regards... Sean. BTW: I remember the days when only RAS and CAS kept your data in memory "intact" ;-) ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] New zfs pr0n server :)))

2007-09-06 Thread Will Murnane
On 9/6/07, Diego Righi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...anyway I wanted to make it the most silent I could, so I suspeded all the > 10 disks Warning: unfounded speculation ahead. I've heard that this can cause performance issues and undue wear on the drive. The reasoning is that since the arm ass

Re: [zfs-discuss] cascading metadata modifications

2007-09-06 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 01:43:21PM -0700, Matthew Ahrens wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Matthew Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: > >>> The best documented one is the inverted meta data tree that allows wofs > >>> to write > >>> only one new generation node fo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Consequences of adding a root vdev later?

2007-09-06 Thread Richard Elling
Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 14:26 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: > >> AFAIK, nobody has characterized resilvering, though this is about the 4th >> time this week someone has brought the topic up. Has anyone done work here >> that we don't know about? If so, please speak up :-)

Re: [zfs-discuss] cascading metadata modifications

2007-09-06 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Joerg Schilling wrote: > Matthew Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: >>> The best documented one is the inverted meta data tree that allows wofs to >>> write >>> only one new generation node for one modified file while ZFS needs to also >>> write new >>> nodes for all d

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 10:45:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >That "but it existed only in RAM in my servers" should not be a defense > >for failing to retain discoverable evidence is distinct from the issue > >of what constitutes discoverable evidence. > > But only if you were told you ne

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Casper . Dik
>That "but it existed only in RAM in my servers" should not be a defense >for failing to retain discoverable evidence is distinct from the issue >of what constitutes discoverable evidence. But only if you were told you needed to retain the data in the first place. How can you be faulted for not

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 04:16:50PM -0400, Jonathan Edwards wrote: > On Sep 6, 2007, at 14:48, Nicolas Williams wrote: > >Allowing for technical illiteracy in judges I think the obvious > >interpretation is that discoverable data should be retained and that > >"but it exists only in RAM" is not a de

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Sep 6, 2007, at 14:48, Nicolas Williams wrote: >> Exactly the articles point -- rulings have consequences outside of >> the >> original case. The intent may have been to store logs for web server >> access (logical and prudent request) but the ruling states that >> RAM albeit >> working m

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread mike
On 9/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is my personal opinion and all, but even knowing that Sun > encourages open conversations on these mailing lists and blogs it seems to > falter common sense for people from @sun.com to be commenting on this > topic. It seems like

[zfs-discuss] MS Exchange storage on ZFS?

2007-09-06 Thread Joe S
Has anyone here attempted to store their MS Exchange data store on a ZFS pool? If so, could you please tell me about your setup? A friend is looking for a NAS solution, and may be interested in a ZFS box instead of a netapp or something like that. Thanks. __

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 01:38:22PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > If that's the correct reading of the story then the story is very badly > > > written. Or am I misreading the story? > > > > Hmmm, the order itself goes on and on about RAM. I think the judge > > should have been clearer tha

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Wade . Stuart
> > > > If that's the correct reading of the story then the story is very badly > > written. Or am I misreading the story? > > Hmmm, the order itself goes on and on about RAM. I think the judge > should have been clearer that the issue is the specific data, as opposed > to generic RAM conten

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 01:25:32PM -0500, Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 01:18:27PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/06/2007 01:14:56 PM: > > > >It really is a shot in the dark at this point, you really never know > > what > > > >will happen in co

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 01:18:27PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/06/2007 01:14:56 PM: > > >It really is a shot in the dark at this point, you really never know > what > > >will happen in court (take the example of the recent court decision that > > >all data in RAM

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread johansen-osdev
It's Columbia Pictures vs. Bunnell: http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/torrentspy/columbia_v_bunnell_magistrate_order.pdf The Register syndicated a Security Focus article that summarizes the potential impact of the court decision: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/08/litigation_data_retention/

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Wade . Stuart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/06/2007 01:14:56 PM: > > > >It really is a shot in the dark at this point, you really never know what > >will happen in court (take the example of the recent court decision that > >all data in RAM be held for discovery ?!WHAT, HEAD HURTS!?). But at the > >end of

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs mount snapshot

2007-09-06 Thread Poulos, Joe
Ah, thanks! I thought it may be possible to show up as a separate mountpoint. But you're right... this is not really needed! Thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren J Moffat Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:14 PM To: Poulos, J

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Casper . Dik
>It really is a shot in the dark at this point, you really never know what >will happen in court (take the example of the recent court decision that >all data in RAM be held for discovery ?!WHAT, HEAD HURTS!?). But at the >end of the day, if you waited for a sure bet on any technology or >poten

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs mount snapshot

2007-09-06 Thread Darren J Moffat
Poulos, Joe wrote: > Hello, > > > > I am messing around with zfs snapshots, and was wondering if it is > possible to mount a zfs snapshot. I would like to use this snapshot to > backup to tape. > > > > Currently, I see the data in the following path: > /testjp1/.zfs/snapshot/testsn

[zfs-discuss] zfs mount snapshot

2007-09-06 Thread Poulos, Joe
Hello, I am messing around with zfs snapshots, and was wondering if it is possible to mount a zfs snapshot. I would like to use this snapshot to backup to tape. Currently, I see the data in the following path: /testjp1/.zfs/snapshot/testsnapjp This message and its attachments

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Wade . Stuart
> > >Playing with patent portfolios is the modern equivalent to playing > the "mutually assured destruction" game with nuclear missiles. Yes > we all appreciate how dangereous this game is and how high the > stakes are. But ... notice that a live/armed ballistic missile has > never been fired

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Harold Ancell
At 11:06 AM 9/6/2007, Al Hopper wrote: >On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Harold Ancell wrote: > >>At 09:33 AM 9/6/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> This is my personal opinion and all, but even knowing that Sun >>>encourages open conversations on these mailing lists and blogs it seems to >>>falter comm

[zfs-discuss] Nuke accidents (Re: ZFS/WAFL lawsuit)

2007-09-06 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 06:20:55PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Now that you mention Nuclear weapons, am I really the only one who > is amused by the uproar about a B52 with nukes flying over the US? Europe does not have the anti-nuke opinion set market cornered, ya know? > Until the Minutem

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Casper . Dik
>Playing with patent portfolios is the modern equivalent to playing the >"mutually assured destruction" game with nuclear missiles. Yes we all >appreciate how dangereous this game is and how high the stakes are. >But ... notice that a live/armed ballistic missile has never been >fired at a "t

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Al Hopper
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Harold Ancell wrote: > At 09:33 AM 9/6/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> This is my personal opinion and all, but even knowing that Sun >> encourages open conversations on these mailing lists and blogs it seems to >> falter common sense for people from @sun.com to be co

Re: [zfs-discuss] New zfs pr0n server :)))

2007-09-06 Thread Christopher Gibbs
Wow, what a creative idea. And I'll bet that allows for much more airflow than the 4-in-3 drive cages do. Very nice. On 9/6/07, Diego Righi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately it only comes with 4 adapters, bare metal adapters without any > dampering /silencing and so on... > ...anyway I w

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Harold Ancell
At 09:33 AM 9/6/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is my personal opinion and all, but even knowing that Sun >encourages open conversations on these mailing lists and blogs it seems to >falter common sense for people from @sun.com to be commenting on this >topic. It seems like something u

Re: [zfs-discuss] New zfs pr0n server :)))

2007-09-06 Thread Diego Righi
Unfortunately it only comes with 4 adapters, bare metal adapters without any dampering /silencing and so on... ...anyway I wanted to make it the most silent I could, so I suspeded all the 10 disks (8 sata 320gb and a little 2,5" pata root disk) with a flexible wire, like I posted in this italian

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Casper . Dik
> This is my personal opinion and all, but even knowing that Sun >encourages open conversations on these mailing lists and blogs it seems to >falter common sense for people from @sun.com to be commenting on this >topic. It seems like something users should be aware of, but if I were >worki

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Wade . Stuart
This is my personal opinion and all, but even knowing that Sun encourages open conversations on these mailing lists and blogs it seems to falter common sense for people from @sun.com to be commenting on this topic. It seems like something users should be aware of, but if I were working

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-06 Thread Paul Kraus
More here http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9034496 On 9/5/07, David Magda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Not sure if anyone at Sun can comment on this, but I thought it might > be of interest to the list: > > > This morning, NetApp filed a

Re: [zfs-discuss] cascading metadata modifications

2007-09-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
Matthew Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > The best documented one is the inverted meta data tree that allows wofs to > > write > > only one new generation node for one modified file while ZFS needs to also > > write new > > nodes for all directories above the file in