[zfs-discuss] RAID-Z in ZFS

2007-09-25 Thread sontas
Anybody can tell me about RAID-Z architecture , cuz i tried to understand it by seach in google but it doesn't clear. I don't know why it can beat raid-5. I know it can prove about RAID-5 Write Hole cuz it has copy-on-write feature for data intigrity. But i don't understand about write full stri

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Mark Ashley
Please don't do this as a rule, it makes for horrendous support issues and breaks a lot of health check tools. >> Actually, you can use the existing name space for this. By default, >> ZFS uses /dev/dsk. But everything in /dev is a symlink. So you could >> setup your own space, say /dev/mykno

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & array NVRAM cache?

2007-09-25 Thread Albert Chin
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:01:00PM -0700, Vincent Fox wrote: > I don't understand. How do you > > "setup one LUN that has all of the NVRAM on the array dedicated to it" > > I'm pretty familiar with 3510 and 3310. Forgive me for being a bit > thick here, but can you be more specific for the n00b?

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Jason King
On 9/25/07, Gregory Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:09 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > > Dale Ghent wrote: > On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > The problem with this is that wrong information is much worse than no > information, there is no way to automat

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Gregory Shaw
On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:09 PM, Richard Elling wrote: Dale Ghent wrote: On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Richard Elling wrote: The problem with this is that wrong information is much worse than no information, there is no way to automatically validate the information, and therefore people are in

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Richard Elling
Dale Ghent wrote: > On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > >> The problem with this is that wrong information is much worse than no >> information, there is no way to automatically validate the >> information, >> and therefore people are involved. If people were reliable, then eve

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & array NVRAM cache?

2007-09-25 Thread Vincent Fox
I don't understand. How do you "setup one LUN that has all of the NVRAM on the array dedicated to it" I'm pretty familiar with 3510 and 3310. Forgive me for being a bit thick here, but can you be more specific for the n00b? Do you mean from firmware side or OS side? Or since the LUNs used for

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Gregory Shaw
On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Richard Elling wrote: Greg Shaw wrote: James C. McPherson wrote: Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 08:26 +1000, James C. McPherson wrote: How would you gather that information? the tools to use would be dependant on the actual storage device in u

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-25 Thread Vincent Fox
> We need high availability, so are looking at Sun > Cluster. That seems to add > an extra layer of complexity , but there's no > way I'll get signoff on > a solution without redundancy. It would appear that > ZFS failover is > supported with the latest version of Solaris/Sun > Cluster? I was speak

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS speed degraded in S10U4 ?

2007-09-25 Thread Sergiy Kolodka
Just did #zpool upgrade -a, it was already ZFS 4, but anyway. Nothing changed. Any ideas ? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-25 Thread Vincent Fox
> > > The SE also told me that Sun Cluster requires > hardware raid, which > conflicts with the general recommendation to feed ZFS > raw disk. It seems > such a configuration would either require configuring > zdevs directly on the > raid LUNs, losing ZFS self-healing and checksum > correction fe

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & array NVRAM cache?

2007-09-25 Thread Bryan Cantrill
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 04:47:48PM -0700, Vincent Fox wrote: > It seems like ZIL is a separate issue. It is very much the issue: the seperate log device work was done exactly to make better use of this kind of non-volatile memory. To use this, setup one LUN that has all of the NVRAM on the arra

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Dale Ghent
On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > > The problem with this is that wrong information is much worse than no > information, there is no way to automatically validate the > information, > and therefore people are involved. If people were reliable, then even > a text file would wo

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Richard Elling
Greg Shaw wrote: > James C. McPherson wrote: >> Bill Sommerfeld wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 08:26 +1000, James C. McPherson wrote: >>> How would you gather that information? >>> the tools to use would be dependant on the actual storage device in use. >>> luxadm for

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & array NVRAM cache?

2007-09-25 Thread Vincent Fox
It seems like ZIL is a separate issue. I have read that putting ZIL on a separate device helps, but what about the cache? OpenSolaris has some flag to disable it. Solaris 10u3/4 do not. I have dual-controllers with NVRAM and battery backup, why can't I make use of it? Would I be wasting my

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Dale Ghent
On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:21 PM, James C. McPherson wrote: > > That sounds like an ok RFE to me. > > For some of the arrays (eg HDS) that we come > into contact with, it's possible to decode the > device guid into something meaningful to a > human, but that's generally closed information. To me, this

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread James C. McPherson
Greg Shaw wrote: > James C. McPherson wrote: >> Bill Sommerfeld wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 08:26 +1000, James C. McPherson wrote: >>> How would you gather that information? >>> the tools to use would be dependant on the actual storage device in use. >>> luxadm for A5

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Greg Shaw
James C. McPherson wrote: > Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > >> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 08:26 +1000, James C. McPherson wrote: >> >>> How would you gather that information? >>> >> the tools to use would be dependant on the actual storage device in use. >> luxadm for A5x00 and V8x0 internal s

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Greg Shaw
It would be a manual process. As with any arbitrary name, it's a useful tag, not much more. James C. McPherson wrote: > Gregory Shaw wrote: > >> Hi. I'd like to request a feature be added to zfs. Currently, on >> SAN attached disk, zpool shows up with a big WWN for the disk. If >> ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread James C. McPherson
Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 08:26 +1000, James C. McPherson wrote: >> How would you gather that information? > > the tools to use would be dependant on the actual storage device in use. > luxadm for A5x00 and V8x0 internal storage, sccli for 3xxx, etc., etc., No consistent int

[zfs-discuss] io:::start and zfs filenames?

2007-09-25 Thread Neelakanth Nadgir
io:::start probe does not seem to get zfs filenames in args[2]->fi_pathname. Any ideas how to get this info? -neel ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-25 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Peter Tribble wrote: > This was some time ago (a very long time ago, actually). There are two > fundamental problems: > > 1. Each zfs filesystem consumes kernel memory. Significant amounts, 64K > is what we worked out at the time. For normal numbers of filesystems that's > not

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 08:26 +1000, James C. McPherson wrote: > How would you gather that information? the tools to use would be dependant on the actual storage device in use. luxadm for A5x00 and V8x0 internal storage, sccli for 3xxx, etc., etc., > How would you ensure that it stayed accurate in

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-25 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Dale Ghent wrote: > Not to sway you away from ZFS/NFS considerations, but I'd like to add > that people who in the past used DFS typically went on to replace it with > AFS. Have you considered it? You're right, AFS is the first choice coming to mind when replacing DFS. We act

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread James C. McPherson
Tim Spriggs wrote: > James C. McPherson wrote: >> Gregory Shaw wrote: ... >>> The above would be very useful should a disk fail to identify what >>> device is what. >> How would you gather that information? >> How would you ensure that it stayed accurate in >> a hotplug world? > If it is stored o

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Tim Spriggs
James C. McPherson wrote: > Gregory Shaw wrote: > >> Hi. I'd like to request a feature be added to zfs. Currently, on >> SAN attached disk, zpool shows up with a big WWN for the disk. If >> ZFS (or the zpool command, in particular) had a text field for >> arbitrary information, it woul

Re: [zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread James C. McPherson
Gregory Shaw wrote: > Hi. I'd like to request a feature be added to zfs. Currently, on > SAN attached disk, zpool shows up with a big WWN for the disk. If > ZFS (or the zpool command, in particular) had a text field for > arbitrary information, it would be possible to add something that

[zfs-discuss] device alias

2007-09-25 Thread Gregory Shaw
Hi. I'd like to request a feature be added to zfs. Currently, on SAN attached disk, zpool shows up with a big WWN for the disk. If ZFS (or the zpool command, in particular) had a text field for arbitrary information, it would be possible to add something that would indicate what LUN on

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-25 Thread Peter Tribble
On 9/24/07, Paul B. Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 22 Sep 2007, Peter Tribble wrote: > > > filesystem per user on the server, just to see how it would work. While > > managing 20,00 filesystems with the automounter was trivial, the attempt > > to manage 20,000 zfs filesystems wasn't en

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & array NVRAM cache?

2007-09-25 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 10:14 -0700, Vincent Fox wrote: > Where is ZFS with regards to the NVRAM cache present on arrays? > > I have a pile of 3310 with 512 megs cache, and even some 3510FC with > 1-gig cache. It seems silly that it's going to waste. These are > dual-controller units so I have no

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & array NVRAM cache?

2007-09-25 Thread Jens Elkner
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 10:14:57AM -0700, Vincent Fox wrote: > Where is ZFS with regards to the NVRAM cache present on arrays? > > I have a pile of 3310 with 512 megs cache, and even some 3510FC with 1-gig > cache. It seems silly that it's going to waste. These are dual-controller > units so I

[zfs-discuss] ZFS & array NVRAM cache?

2007-09-25 Thread Vincent Fox
Where is ZFS with regards to the NVRAM cache present on arrays? I have a pile of 3310 with 512 megs cache, and even some 3510FC with 1-gig cache. It seems silly that it's going to waste. These are dual-controller units so I have no worry about loss of cache information. It looks like OpenSola

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-25 Thread James F. Hranicky
Paul B. Henson wrote: > But all quotas were set in a single flat text file. Anytime you added a new > quota, you needed to turn off quotas, then turn them back on, and quota > enforcement was disabled while it recalculated space utilization. I believe in later versions of the OS 'quota resize' di

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS speed degraded in S10U4 ?

2007-09-25 Thread Andy Lubel
On 9/25/07 3:37 AM, "Sergiy Kolodka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I'm playing with Blade 6300 to check performance of compressed ZFS with Oracle > database. > After some really simple tests I noticed that default (well, not really > default, some patches applied, but definitely noo

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ARC & DNLC Limitation

2007-09-25 Thread Roch - PAE
Hi Jason, This should have helped. 6542676 ARC needs to track meta-data memory overhead Some of the lines to arc.c: 1551 1.36 if (arc_meta_used >= arc_meta_limit) { 1552/* 1553 * We are exceeding our meta-data cache l

[zfs-discuss] ZFS speed degraded in S10U4 ?

2007-09-25 Thread Sergiy Kolodka
Hi Guys, I'm playing with Blade 6300 to check performance of compressed ZFS with Oracle database. After some really simple tests I noticed that default (well, not really default, some patches applied, but definitely noone bother to tweak disk subsystem or something else) installation of S10U3 i