Re: [zfs-discuss] GUI support for ZFS root?

2008-08-12 Thread Rich Teer
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Lori Alt wrote: > There are no plans to add zfs root support to the existing > install GUI. GUI install support for zfs root will be > provided by the new Caiman installer. Thanks for the info. Follow-up question: is there an ETA for when Caiman will be integrated into Neva

Re: [zfs-discuss] integrated failure recovery thoughts (single-bit

2008-08-12 Thread Anton B. Rang
Reed-Solomon could correct multiple-bit errors, but an effective Reed-Solomon code for 128K blocks of data would be very slow if implemented in software (and, for that matter, take a lot of hardware to implement). A multi-bit Hamming code would be simpler, but I suspect that undetected multi-bit

Re: [zfs-discuss] more ZFS recovery

2008-08-12 Thread Miles Nordin
> "cs" == Cromar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: cs> It appears that the metadata on that pool became corrupted cs> when the processor failed. The exact mechanism is a bit of a cs> mystery, [...] cs> We were told that the probability of metadata corruption would cs> ha

Re: [zfs-discuss] GUI support for ZFS root?

2008-08-12 Thread Lori Alt
Rich Teer wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently installed b95 and ZFS root is great! I used the > CLI installer because I remember reading that the GUI installer > doesn't yet support ZFS root. So my question is, what's the > ETA for support in the GUI installer for ZFS root? > > TIA, > > There are

[zfs-discuss] GUI support for ZFS root?

2008-08-12 Thread Rich Teer
Hi all, I recently installed b95 and ZFS root is great! I used the CLI installer because I remember reading that the GUI installer doesn't yet support ZFS root. So my question is, what's the ETA for support in the GUI installer for ZFS root? TIA, -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA CEO, My Onli

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thumper, ZFS and performance

2008-08-12 Thread John-Paul Drawneek
Config 1: as its got 4 vdev so it will stripe it across them vs the 1 vdev for Config 2 - for speed reliability - Both Config probably the same, sods law states second disk to fail will be in the same vdev. If you want the space Config 2 but with raidz2 If you want speed - 24 mirrors See oth

Re: [zfs-discuss] more ZFS recovery

2008-08-12 Thread Cromar Scott
Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cromar Scott wrote: > Chris Siebenmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'm not Anton Rang, but: > | How would you describe the difference between the data recovery > | utility and ZFS's normal data recovery process? > > cks> The data recovery utility should not panic >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thumper, ZFS and performance

2008-08-12 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, John Malick wrote: > There is a thread quite similar to this but it did not provide a clear answer > to the question which was worded a bit odd.. > > I have a Thumper and am trying to determine, for performance, which > is the best ZFS configuration of the two shown below. A

Re: [zfs-discuss] more ZFS recovery

2008-08-12 Thread Richard Elling
Cromar Scott wrote: > Chris Siebenmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'm not Anton Rang, but: > | How would you describe the difference between the data recovery > | utility and ZFS's normal data recovery process? > > cks> The data recovery utility should not panic > cks> my entire system if it runs in

Re: [zfs-discuss] corrupt zfs stream? checksum mismatch

2008-08-12 Thread Miles Nordin
> "mp" == Mattias Pantzare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: mp> Or the file was corrupted when you transfered it. he stored the backup streams on ZFS, so obviously they couldn't possibly be corrupt. :p Jonathan, does 'zfs receive -nv' also detect the checksum error, or is it only detected w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thumper, ZFS and performance

2008-08-12 Thread Richard Elling
John Malick wrote: > There is a thread quite similar to this but it did not provide a clear answer > to the question which was worded a bit odd.. > > I have a Thumper and am trying to determine, for performance, which is the > best ZFS configuration of the two shown below. Any issues other than

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, SATA, LSI and stability

2008-08-12 Thread Miles Nordin
ff> I have check the drives with smartctl: ff> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE ff> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 115 075 006Pre-fail Always - 94384069 ff> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x00

[zfs-discuss] Thumper, ZFS and performance

2008-08-12 Thread John Malick
There is a thread quite similar to this but it did not provide a clear answer to the question which was worded a bit odd.. I have a Thumper and am trying to determine, for performance, which is the best ZFS configuration of the two shown below. Any issues other than performance that anyone may

Re: [zfs-discuss] more ZFS recovery

2008-08-12 Thread eric kustarz
On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:25 PM, Anton B. Rang wrote: >> How would you describe the difference between the file system >> checking utility and zpool scrub? Is zpool scrub lacking in its >> verification of the data? > > To answer the second question first, yes, zpool scrub is lacking, at > least to

Re: [zfs-discuss] URGENT: ZFS issue - can't import in degraded state

2008-08-12 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Robert, Probably it was related to 6436000. Kernel upgrade which does include fix for above has helped and now I was able to import the pool without any issues. -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mile

Re: [zfs-discuss] Forensic analysis [was: more ZFS recovery]

2008-08-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Darren J Moffat wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> As others have noted, the COW nature of ZFS means that there is a >>> good chance that on a mostly-empty pool, previous data is still intact >>> long after you might think it is gone. A utility to recover such data is >>> (IMHO) more likely

Re: [zfs-discuss] integrated failure recovery thoughts (single-bit

2008-08-12 Thread paul
Although I don't know for sure that most such errors are in fact single bit in nature, I can only surmise they most likely statistically are absent detection otherwise; as with the exception of error corrected memory systems and/or check-summed communication channels, each transition of data betw

Re: [zfs-discuss] Forensic analysis [was: more ZFS recovery]

2008-08-12 Thread Chris Siebenmann
| As others have noted, the COW nature of ZFS means that there is a good | chance that on a mostly-empty pool, previous data is still intact long | after you might think it is gone. In the cases I am thinking of I am sure that the data was there. Kernel panics just didn't let me get at it. Fortun

Re: [zfs-discuss] Forensic analysis [was: more ZFS recovery]

2008-08-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> As others have noted, the COW nature of ZFS means that there is a >> good chance that on a mostly-empty pool, previous data is still intact >> long after you might think it is gone. A utility to recover such data is >> (IMHO) more likely to be in the category of forensic

Re: [zfs-discuss] Forensic analysis [was: more ZFS recovery]

2008-08-12 Thread Wade . Stuart
> > As others have noted, the COW nature of ZFS means that there is a > good chance that on a mostly-empty pool, previous data is still intact > long after you might think it is gone. A utility to recover such data is > (IMHO) more likely to be in the category of forensic analysis than > a mount (

Re: [zfs-discuss] integrated failure recovery thoughts (single-bit correction)

2008-08-12 Thread Richard Elling
Anton B. Rang wrote: > That brings up another interesting idea. > > ZFS currently uses a 128-bit checksum for blocks of up to 1048576 bits. > > If 20-odd bits of that were a Hamming code, you'd have something slightly > stronger than SECDED, and ZFS could correct any single-bit errors encountered.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, SATA, LSI and stability

2008-08-12 Thread Thomas Maier-Komor
Frank Fischer wrote: > After having massive problems with a supermicro X7DBE box using AOC-SAT2-MV8 > Marvell controllers and opensolaris snv79 (same as described here: > http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-66-233341-1) we just > start over using new hardware and opensolaris 20

[zfs-discuss] ZFS, SATA, LSI and stability

2008-08-12 Thread Frank Fischer
After having massive problems with a supermicro X7DBE box using AOC-SAT2-MV8 Marvell controllers and opensolaris snv79 (same as described here: http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-66-233341-1) we just start over using new hardware and opensolaris 2008.05 upgraded to snv94. We

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500 dead HDD, hung server, unable to boot.

2008-08-12 Thread Frank Fischer
James, one question: Do you know if and when yes in which version of opensolaris this issue is solved? We have the exact same problems using a Supermicro X7DBE with two Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 (we are on snv79). Thanks, Frank This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] more ZFS recovery

2008-08-12 Thread Cromar Scott
Chris Siebenmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm not Anton Rang, but: | How would you describe the difference between the data recovery | utility and ZFS's normal data recovery process? cks> The data recovery utility should not panic cks> my entire system if it runs into some situation cks> that it ut

Re: [zfs-discuss] more ZFS recovery

2008-08-12 Thread Cromar Scott
From: Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Miles Nordin wrote: >> "re" == Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "tb" == Tom Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > ... > > re> In general, ZFS can only repair conditions for which it owns > re> data redundancy. tb

Re: [zfs-discuss] corrupt zfs stream? checksum mismatch

2008-08-12 Thread Mattias Pantzare
2008/8/10 Jonathan Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi Folks, > > I'm in the very unsettling position of fearing that I've lost all of my data > via a zfs send/receive operation, despite ZFS's legendary integrity. > > The error that I'm getting on restore is: > receiving full stream of faith/[EMAIL

[zfs-discuss] URGENT: ZFS issue - can't import in degraded state

2008-08-12 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello zfs-discuss, S10, Generic_125100-10, SPARC # zpool import pool: mail id: 7518613205838351076 state: DEGRADED status: One or more devices are missing from the system. action: The pool can be imported despite missing or damaged devices. The fault tolerance of the pool may be

Re: [zfs-discuss] corrupt zfs stream? "checksum mismatch"

2008-08-12 Thread Jonathan Wheeler
Hi folks, Perhaps I was a little verbose in my first post, putting a view people off. Does anyone else have any ideas on this one. I can't be the first person to have had a problem with a zfs backup stream. Is there nothing that can be done to recover at least some of the stream. As another hel

Re: [zfs-discuss] resilver in progress - which disk is inconsistent?

2008-08-12 Thread Justin Vassallo
>I know this is too late to help you now, but... Doesn't "zpool status -v" >do what you want? Hi, No indeed it does not. At the top it just says that resilvering is happening and that's it. Let me guess... it's to do with the zfs version I'm using? (I'm on 3) justin smime.p7s Description: S

Re: [zfs-discuss] integrated failure recovery thoughts (single-bit correction)

2008-08-12 Thread Mario Goebbels (iPhone)
I suppose an error correcting code like 256bit Hamming or Reed-Solomon can't substitute as reliable checksum on the level of default Fletcher2/4? If it can, it could be offered as alternative algorithm where necessary and let ZFS react accordingly, or not? Regards, -mg On 12-août-08, at 08: