Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread BM
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Andrej Podzimek and...@podzimek.org wrote: I did not say there is something wrong about published reports. I often read them. (Who doesn't?) However, there are no trustworthy reports on this topic yet, since Btrfs is unfinished. Let's see some examples: (1)

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-17 Thread Michael Schuster
On 17.08.10 04:17, Will Murnane wrote: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 21:58, Kishore Kumar Pusukuri kish...@cs.ucr.edu wrote: Hi, I am surprised with the performances of some 64-bit multi-threaded applications on my AMD Opteron machine. For most of the applications, the performance of 32-bit version

Re: [zfs-discuss] How do I Import rpool to an alternate location?

2010-08-17 Thread Robert Hartzell
On 08/16/10 10:38 PM, George Wilson wrote: Robert Hartzell wrote: On 08/16/10 07:47 PM, George Wilson wrote: The root filesystem on the root pool is set to 'canmount=noauto' so you need to manually mount it first using 'zfs mount dataset name'. Then run 'zfs mount -a'. - George mounting

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Haudy Kazemi
BM wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Andrej Podzimek and...@podzimek.org wrote: I did not say there is something wrong about published reports. I often read them. (Who doesn't?) However, there are no trustworthy reports on this topic yet, since Btrfs is unfinished. Let's see some

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Sami Ketola
On 16 Aug 2010, at 23:11, Andrej Podzimek wrote: My only point was: There is no published report saying that stability or *performance* of Btrfs will be worse (or better) than that of ZFS. This is because nobody can guess how Btrfs will perform once it's finished. (In fact nobody even

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-17 Thread Ian Collins
On 08/17/10 09:43 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Garrett D'Amoregarr...@nexenta.com wrote: It can be as simple as impact on the cache. 64-bit programs tend to be bigger, and so they have a worse effect on the i-cache. Unless your program does something that can inherently benefit from

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Will Murnane I am surprised with the performances of some 64-bit multi-threaded applications on my AMD Opteron machine. For most of the applications, the performance of 32-bit version

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-17 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: If you have an orthogonal architecture like sparc, a typical 64 bit program is indeed a bit slower than the same program in 32 bit. On Amd64, you have twice as many registers in 64 bit mode and this is the reason for a typical performance gain of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:17 PM, Frank Cusack frank+lists/z...@linetwo.net wrote: On 8/16/10 9:57 AM -0400 Ross Walker wrote: No, the only real issue is the license and I highly doubt Oracle will re-release ZFS under GPL to dilute it's competitive advantage. You're saying Oracle wants to keep

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-17 Thread Rodrigo E . De León Plicet
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM, David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca wrote: On Aug 14, 2010, at 19:39, Kevin Walker wrote: I once watched a video interview with Larry from Oracle, this ass rambled on about how he hates cloud computing and that everyone was getting into cloud computing and in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Andrej Podzimek
I did not say there is something wrong about published reports. I often read them. (Who doesn't?) However, there are no trustworthy reports on this topic yet, since Btrfs is unfinished. Let's see some examples: (1) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=zfs_ext4_btrfsnum=1 My little

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Toby Thain
On 17-Aug-10, at 1:05 PM, Andrej Podzimek wrote: I did not say there is something wrong about published reports. I often read them. (Who doesn't?) However, there are no trustworthy reports on this topic yet, since Btrfs is unfinished. Let's see some examples: (1)

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Ross Walker wrote: And there lies the problem, you need the agreement of all copyright holders in a GPL project to change it's licensing terms and some just will not budge. Joerg is correct that CDDL code can legally live right alongside the GPLv2 kernel code and run

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Frank Cusack
On 8/17/10 9:14 AM -0400 Ross Walker wrote: On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:17 PM, Frank Cusack frank+lists/z...@linetwo.net wrote: On 8/16/10 9:57 AM -0400 Ross Walker wrote: No, the only real issue is the license and I highly doubt Oracle will re-release ZFS under GPL to dilute it's competitive

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Frank Cusack
On 8/17/10 3:31 PM +0900 BM wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Andrej Podzimek and...@podzimek.org wrote: Disclaimer: I use Reiser4 A Killer FS™. :-) LOL ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-17 Thread Ian Collins
On 08/18/10 12:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: If you have an orthogonal architecture like sparc, a typical 64 bit program is indeed a bit slower than the same program in 32 bit. On Amd64, you have twice as many registers in 64 bit mode and this is the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Joerg Schilling
Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 14:04 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Ross Walker wrote: And there lies the problem, you need the agreement of all copyright holders in a GPL project to change it's licensing terms and some just

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Tim Cook
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Frank Cusack frank+lists/z...@linetwo.netwrote: On 8/17/10 9:14 AM -0400 Ross Walker wrote: On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:17 PM, Frank Cusack frank+lists/z...@linetwo.net wrote: On 8/16/10 9:57 AM -0400 Ross Walker wrote: No, the only real issue is the license

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-17 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 08/18/10 12:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: If you have an orthogonal architecture like sparc, a typical 64 bit program is indeed a bit slower than the same program in 32 bit. On Amd64, you have twice

Re: [zfs-discuss] Narrow escape with FAULTED disks

2010-08-17 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Mark, I would recheck with fmdump to see if you have any persistent errors on the second disk. The fmdump command will display faults and fmdump -eV will display errors (persistent faults that have turned into errors based on some criteria). If fmdump -eV doesn't show any activity for

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-17 Thread Ian Collins
On 08/18/10 08:40 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: On 08/18/10 12:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: If you have an orthogonal architecture like sparc, a typical 64 bit program is indeed a bit slower than the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Miles Nordin
gd == Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com writes: Joerg is correct that CDDL code can legally live right alongside the GPLv2 kernel code and run in the same program. gd My understanding is that no, this is not possible. GPLv2 and CDDL are incompatible:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Garrett D'Amore
Oh, as an insmod, I think the question is quite cloudy indeed, since you get into questions about what forms a derivative product. I was looking at the original statement of the two licenses running together in the same program far too simply of course when considered with dynamic link

Re: [zfs-discuss] problem with zpool import - zil and cache drive are not displayed?

2010-08-17 Thread Victor Latushkin
On Aug 4, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Dmitry Sorokin wrote: I'm in the same situation as Darren - my log SSD device died completely. Victor, could you please explain how did you mocked up log device in a file so zpool status started to show the device with UNAVAIL status? I lost the latest

Re: [zfs-discuss] Kernel Panic on zpool clean

2010-08-17 Thread Victor Latushkin
On Jul 9, 2010, at 4:27 AM, George wrote: I think it is quite likely to be possible to get readonly access to your data, but this requires modified ZFS binaries. What is your pool version? What build do you have installed on your system disk or available as LiveCD? For the record - using