Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Performance

2011-02-27 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Mon, Feb 28 at 0:30, Toby Thain wrote: I would expect COW puts more pressure on near-full behaviour compared to write-in-place filesystems. If that's not true, somebody correct me. Off the top of my head, I think it'd depend on the workload. Write-in-place will always be faster with large

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Performance

2011-02-27 Thread Toby Thain
On 27/02/11 9:59 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- >> boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of David Blasingame Oracle >> >> Keep pool space under 80% utilization to maintain pool performance. > > For what it's worth, the same is true for a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread Richard Elling
On Feb 27, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: >> I can live with that-- but I really want to know what (real, not virtual) >> controllers disks are connected to; I want to build 3 8-disk RAIDz2 vdevs >> now (with room for a fourth for expansion later) and I really want to make >> sure e

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread James C. McPherson
On 28/02/11 02:51 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: On 2/27/11 10:06 PM, "James C. McPherson" wrote: ... 2nd controller c16t5000CCA222DDD7BAd0 /pci@0,0/pci8086,340c@5/pci1000,3020@0/iport@2/disk@w5000cca222ddd7ba,0 3rd controller c14t5000CCA222DF8FBEd0 /pci@0,0/pci8086,340e@7/pci1000,3020@0/iport@1/d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread Dave Pooser
On 2/27/11 10:06 PM, "James C. McPherson" wrote: >I've arranged these by devinfo path: > >1st controller > >c10t2d0 >/pci@0,0/pci8086,340a@3/pci1000,72@0/iport@4/disk@p2,0 >c15t5000CCA222E006B6d0 >/pci@0,0/pci8086,340a@3/pci1000,72@0/iport@8/disk@w5000cca222e006b6,0 >c13t5000CCA222DF92

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread James C. McPherson
On 28/02/11 12:46 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: On 2/27/11 4:07 PM, "James C. McPherson" wrote: ... PHY iport@ 01 12 24 38 410 520 640 780 OK, bear with me for a moment because I'm feeling extra dense this evening. The PHY tells me which port on the HBA I'm connect

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Performance

2011-02-27 Thread Brandon High
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > But there is one specific thing, isn't there?  Where ZFS will choose to use > a different algorithm for something, when pool usage exceeds some threshold. > Right?  What is that? It moves from "best fit" to "any fit" at a certain point,

Re: [zfs-discuss] External SATA drive enclosures + ZFS?

2011-02-27 Thread Krunal Desai
On Feb 27, 2011, at 10:48 , taemun wrote: > > eSATA has no need for any interposer chips between a modern SATA chipset on > the motherboard and a SATA hard drive. You can buy cables with appropriate > ends for this. There is no reason why the data side of an eSATA drive should > be any more lik

Re: [zfs-discuss] External SATA drive enclosures + ZFS?

2011-02-27 Thread Brandon High
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:48 AM, taemun wrote: > eSATA has no need for any interposer chips between a modern SATA chipset on > the motherboard and a SATA hard drive. You can buy cables with appropriate eSATA has different electrical specifications, namely higher minimum transmit power and lower m

Re: [zfs-discuss] External SATA drive enclosures + ZFS?

2011-02-27 Thread Jerry Kemp
I can tell you specifically that the 3124 will not work in Sparc equipment. I specifically purchased a 3124 after seeing glowing reviews in the archives. I needed it for a low end project using a V120 or Netra T1. What I didn't pick up from reviewing the archives was all of the glowing reviews w

Re: [zfs-discuss] External SATA drive enclosures + ZFS?

2011-02-27 Thread taemun
On 28 February 2011 02:06, Edward Ned Harvey < opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com> wrote: > Take that a step further. Anything external is unreliable. I have used > USB, eSATA, and Firewire external devices. They all work. The only > question is for how long. eSATA has no nee

Re: [zfs-discuss] External SATA drive enclosures + ZFS?

2011-02-27 Thread Brandon High
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Rich Teer wrote: > So the question is, what eSATA non-RAID HBA do people recommend?  Bear > in mind that I'm looking for something with driver support "out of the > box" with either the latest Solaris 10, or Solaris 11 Express. The SiI3124 (PCI / PCI-X) and SiI313

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread Dave Pooser
On 2/27/11 4:07 PM, "James C. McPherson" wrote: >I misread your initial email, sorry. No worries-- I probably could have written it more clearly. >So your disks are connected to separate PHYs on the HBA, by virtue >of their cabling. You can see this for yourself by looking at the >iport@xx elem

Re: [zfs-discuss] External SATA drive enclosures + ZFS?

2011-02-27 Thread Rich Teer
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011, Brandon High wrote: > You might want to consider eSATA. Port multipliers are supported in > recent builds (128+ I think), and will give better performance than > USB. I'm not sure if PMP are supported on Sparc though., since it > requires support in both the controller and PMP

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread James C. McPherson
On 28/02/11 02:08 AM, Dave Pooser wrote: On 2/27/11 5:15 AM, "James C. McPherson" wrote: On 27/02/11 05:24 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: On 2/26/11 7:43 PM, "Bill Sommerfeld" wrote: On your system, c12 is the mpxio virtual controller; any disk which is potentially multipath-able (and that includ

Re: [zfs-discuss] External SATA drive enclosures + ZFS?

2011-02-27 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Sun, Feb 27 at 10:06, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Brandon High I would avoid USB, since it can be less reliable than other connection methods. That's the impression I get from older posts made by

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread James C. McPherson
On 28/02/11 03:18 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: I can live with that-- but I really want to know what (real, not virtual) controllers disks are connected to; I want to build 3 8-disk RAIDz2 vdevs now (with room for a fourth for expansion later) and I really want to make sure each of those vdevs

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread James C. McPherson
On 28/02/11 07:30 AM, Dave Pooser wrote: On 2/27/11 11:18 AM, "Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk" wrote: I cannot but agree. On Linux and Windoze (haven't tested FreeBSD), drives connected to an LSI9211 show up in the correct order, but not on OI/osol/S11ex (IIRC), and fmtopo doesn't always show a mapping

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread Dave Pooser
On 2/27/11 11:18 AM, "Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk" wrote: >I cannot but agree. On Linux and Windoze (haven't tested FreeBSD), drives >connected to an LSI9211 show up in the correct order, but not on >OI/osol/S11ex (IIRC), and fmtopo doesn't always show a mapping between >device name and slot, since that

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Performance

2011-02-27 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
> In reading the ZFS Best practices, I'm curious if this statement is > still true about 80% utilization. It is, and in my experience, it doesn't matter much if you have a full pool and add another VDEV, the existing VDEVs will be full still, and performance will be slow. For this reason, new sy

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
> I can live with that-- but I really want to know what (real, not virtual) > controllers disks are connected to; I want to build 3 8-disk RAIDz2 vdevs > now (with room for a fourth for expansion later) and I really want to make > sure each of those vdevs has fewer than three disks per controller s

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread Dave Pooser
On 2/27/11 5:15 AM, "James C. McPherson" wrote: >On 27/02/11 05:24 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: >>On 2/26/11 7:43 PM, "Bill Sommerfeld" wrote: >> >>>On your system, c12 is the mpxio virtual controller; any disk which is >>>potentially multipath-able (and that includes the SAS drives) will >>>appear as

Re: [zfs-discuss] External SATA drive enclosures + ZFS?

2011-02-27 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Brandon High > > I would avoid USB, since it can be less reliable than other connection > methods. That's the impression I get from older posts made by Sun Take that a step further. Anything

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Performance

2011-02-27 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of David Blasingame Oracle > > Keep pool space under 80% utilization to maintain pool performance. For what it's worth, the same is true for any other filesystem too. What really matters is the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Format returning bogus controller info

2011-02-27 Thread James C. McPherson
On 27/02/11 05:24 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: On 2/26/11 7:43 PM, "Bill Sommerfeld" wrote: On your system, c12 is the mpxio virtual controller; any disk which is potentially multipath-able (and that includes the SAS drives) will appear as a child of the virtual controller (rather than appear as the