Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) > > > Found quite a few posts on > > various > > forums of people complaining that RDP with external auth doesn't work (or > > not reliably), > > Actually, it does work, and it works reliably, but the setup is very much not > straig

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/14/2012 9:44 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dan Swartzendruber Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/14/2012 9:44 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dan Swartzendruber Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dan Swartzendruber > > Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last > couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, > followed by virtualbox.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
-Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:08 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
-Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:08 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Karl Wagner
On 2012-11-14 12:55, dswa...@druber.com wrote: >> On 11/14/12 15:20, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >> >>> Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, followed by virtualbox. Supposedly that works in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread dswartz
> On 11/14/12 15:20, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >> Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the >> last >> couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, >> followed by virtualbox. Supposedly that works in headless mode with RDP >> for >> management, bu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread dswartz
> What was wrong with the suggestion to use VMWare ESXi and Nexenta or > OpenIndiana to do this? Sorry I don't know which specific post you refer to? I am already running ESXi with OI on top and serving back to the other guests. Ned made a good point that running a virtualization solution on top

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-13 Thread Edmund White
What was wrong with the suggestion to use VMWare ESXi and Nexenta or OpenIndiana to do this? -- Edmund White On 11/13/12 8:20 PM, "Dan Swartzendruber" wrote: > >Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last >couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on b

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-13 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-14 03:20, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, followed by virtualbox. Supposedly that works in headless mode with RDP for management, but nothing but fa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-13 Thread Ian Collins
On 11/14/12 15:20, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, followed by virtualbox. Supposedly that works in headless mode with RDP for management, but nothing but fail

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-13 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, followed by virtualbox. Supposedly that works in headless mode with RDP for management, but nothing but fail for me. Found quite a few posts on various f

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-09 16:11, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] I have to admit Ned's (what do I call you?)idea is interesting. I may give it a try... Yup, officially Edward, most people call me Ned. I contributed to t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-09 16:14, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Karl Wagner [mailto:k...@mouse-hole.com] If I was doing this now, I would probably use the ZFS aware OS bare metal, but I still think I would use iSCSI to export the ZVols (mainly due to the ability to us

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Eugen Leitl > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 04:57:21AM +, Edward Ned Harvey > (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: > > > Yes you can, with the help of Dell, install OMSA to get the we

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Karl Wagner [mailto:k...@mouse-hole.com] > > If I was doing this now, I would probably use the ZFS aware OS bare metal, > but I still think I would use iSCSI to export the ZVols (mainly due to the > ability > to use it across a real network, hence allowing guests to be migrated simply) Y

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] > > I have to admit Ned's (what do I call you?)idea is interesting. I may give > it a try... Yup, officially Edward, most people call me Ned. I contributed to the OI VirtualBox instructions. See here: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Virtual

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 04:57:21AM +, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: > Yes you can, with the help of Dell, install OMSA to get the web interface > to manage the PERC. But it's a pain, and there is no equivalent option for > most HBA's. Specifcally, on my syst

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Karl Wagner
On 2012-11-08 17:49, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: >> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [1] [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org [2]] On Behalf Of Karl Wagner I am just wondering why you export the ZFS system through NFS? I have had much better

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
That looks sweet, thanks! _ From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Nordli Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:51 PM To: ZFS Discussions Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Geoff Nordli
Dan, If you are going to do the all in one with vbox, you probably want to look at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vboxsvc/ It manages the starting/stopping of vbox vms via smf. Kudos to Jim Klimov for creating and maintaining it. Geoff On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wro

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
I have to admit Ned's (what do I call you?)idea is interesting. I may give it a try... ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
wait my brain caught up with my fingers :) the guest is running on the same host, so there is no virtual switch in this setup. i'm still going to try the vmxnet3 and see what difference it makes... ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolar

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/8/2012 1:41 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] Now you have me totally confused. How does your setup get data from the guest to the OI box? If thru a wire, if it's gig-e, it's going to be 1/3-1/2 the sp

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] > > Now you have me totally confused. How does your setup get data from the > guest to the OI box? If thru a wire, if it's gig-e, it's going to be > 1/3-1/2 the speed of the other way. If you're saying you use 10gig or > some-such, we're ta

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/8/2012 12:35 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov the VM running "a ZFS OS" enjoys PCI-pass-through, so it gets dedicated hardware access to the HB

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/8/2012 12:35 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov the VM running "a ZFS OS" enjoys PCI-pass-through, so it gets dedicated hardware access to the HB

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Karl Wagner > > I am just wondering why you export the ZFS system through NFS? > I have had much better results (albeit spending more time setting up) using > iSCSI. I found that performance wa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov > > the VM running "a ZFS OS" enjoys PCI-pass-through, so it gets dedicated > hardware access to the HBA(s) and harddisks at raw speeds, with no > extra layers of lags in between.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: RE: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage? > From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] > > I'm curious here. Your experience is 180 degrees opposite from mine. > I run an all in one in pro

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Karl Wagner
On 2012-11-08 4:43, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: > When I said performance was abysmal, I meant, if you dig right down and pressure the system for throughput to disk, you've got a Linux or Windows VM isnide of ESX, which is writing to a virtual disk, which ES

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-08 05:43, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: you've got a Linux or Windows VM isnide of ESX, which is writing to a virtual disk, which ESX is then wrapping up inside NFS and TCP, talking on the virtual LAN to the ZFS server, which unwraps the TCP and NFS,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) > > Stuff like that. I could go on, but it basically comes down to: With > openindiana, you can do a lot more than you can with ESXi. Because it's a > complete OS. You simply have more freedom, better performance, less > mainten

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] > > I'm curious here. Your experience is 180 degrees opposite from mine. I > run an all in one in production and I get native disk performance, and > ESXi virtual disk I/O is faster than with a physical SAN/NAS for the NFS > datastore, since

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-07 16:02, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only softwa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/7/2012 10:53 AM, Edmund White wrote: Same thing here. With the right setup, an all-in-one system based on VMWare can be very solid and perform well. I've documented my process here: http://serverfault.com/a/398579/13325 But I'm surprised at the negative comments about VMWare in this contex

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edmund White
Same thing here. With the right setup, an all-in-one system based on VMWare can be very solid and perform well. I've documented my process here: http://serverfault.com/a/398579/13325 But I'm surprised at the negative comments about VMWare in this context. I can't see how Virtual Box would run bett

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/7/2012 10:02 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: I formerly did exactly the same thing. Of course performance is abysmal because you're booting a guest VM to share storage back to the host where the actual VM's run. Not to mention, there's the startup de

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole > > I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB > drives, > but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far > everything is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 01:33:41PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: > On 11/07/2012 01:16 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > I'm very interested, as I'm currently working on an all-in-one with > > ESXi (using N40L for prototype and zfs send target, and a Supermicro > > ESXi box for production with guests, all b

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks Eugen. yea, i am with Hetzner, but no hardware passthough... As for ESXi, i am happy with it, but its not booting from USB... its using the disk to boot from... I am thinking of using a USB key to boot from though... just need to figure out how to remotely do this and if i should... Thanks

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 11/07/2012 01:16 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > I'm very interested, as I'm currently working on an all-in-one with > ESXi (using N40L for prototype and zfs send target, and a Supermicro > ESXi box for production with guests, all booted from USB internally > and zfs snapshot/send source). Well, seein

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 12:58:04PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: > On 11/07/2012 12:39 PM, Tiernan OToole wrote: > > Morning all... > > > > I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB > > drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and > > so fa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 11/07/2012 12:39 PM, Tiernan OToole wrote: > Morning all... > > I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB > drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and > so far everything is going ok... I have the 2 drives as standard data > stores..

[zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Tiernan OToole
Morning all... I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far everything is going ok... I have the 2 drives as standard data stores... But i am paranoid... So, i installed Nexenta as a VM, g