Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 06:44:39PM +0200, Ralf Bertling wrote: > ...you should be able to "simulate" a scrub on the latest data by > using > zfs send > /dev/null > Since the primary purpose is to verify latent bugs and to have zfs > auto-correct them, simply reading all data would be sufficient

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-12 Thread Ralf Bertling
Hi all, until the scrub problem (http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6343667 ) is fixed,you should be able to "simulate" a scrub on the latest data by using zfs send > /dev/null Since the primary purpose is to verify latent bugs and to have zfs auto-correct them, simply reading all

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-09 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Peter Tribble wrote: > As a regular fileserver, yes - random reads of small files on raidz isn't > too hot... There that would pretty much be our usage scenario; home directories and group project directories. > I just disable NCQ and have done with it. Doesn't that result i

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-09 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > It seems like kind of a waste to allocate 1TB to the operating system, > > would there be any issue in taking a slice of those boot disks and > > creating a zfs mirror with them to add to the pool? > > You don't want to go there. Keep in mind that th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-09 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Richard Elling wrote: > N.B. anyone can purchase a Production Subscription for OpenSolaris which > would get both "support" and the in-kernel CIFS server. > http://www.sun.com/service/opensolaris/index.jsp Wow. That's new, and very intriguing. Any idea on the potential timelin

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread Dave
On 05/08/2008 11:29 AM, Luke Scharf wrote: > Dave wrote: >> On 05/08/2008 08:11 AM, Ross wrote: >> >>> It may be an obvious point, but are you aware that snapshots need to >>> be stopped any time a disk fails? It's something to consider if >>> you're planning frequent snapshots. >>> >> >>

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread eric kustarz
On May 8, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Carson Gaspar wrote: > Luke Scharf wrote: >> Dave wrote: >>> On 05/08/2008 08:11 AM, Ross wrote: >>> It may be an obvious point, but are you aware that snapshots need to be stopped any time a disk fails? It's something to consider if you're plannin

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread Wade . Stuart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/08/2008 02:31:43 PM: > Luke Scharf wrote: > > Dave wrote: > >> On 05/08/2008 08:11 AM, Ross wrote: > >> > >>> It may be an obvious point, but are you aware that snapshots > need to be stopped any time a disk fails? It's something to > consider if you're planning freq

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread Carson Gaspar
Luke Scharf wrote: > Dave wrote: >> On 05/08/2008 08:11 AM, Ross wrote: >> >>> It may be an obvious point, but are you aware that snapshots need to be >>> stopped any time a disk fails? It's something to consider if you're >>> planning frequent snapshots. >>> >> I've never heard this bef

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread Richard Elling
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Thu, 8 May 2008, Ross wrote: > > >> protected even if a disk fails. I found this post quite an >> interesting >> read:http://blogs.sun.com/relling/entry/raid_recommendations_space_vs_mttdl >> > > Richard's blog entry does not tell the whole story. ZFS does not

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread Luke Scharf
Dave wrote: > On 05/08/2008 08:11 AM, Ross wrote: > >> It may be an obvious point, but are you aware that snapshots need to be >> stopped any time a disk fails? It's something to consider if you're >> planning frequent snapshots. >> > > I've never heard this before. Why would snapshots n

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread Dave
On 05/08/2008 08:11 AM, Ross wrote: > It may be an obvious point, but are you aware that snapshots need to be > stopped any time a disk fails? It's something to consider if you're planning > frequent snapshots. I've never heard this before. Why would snapshots need to be stopped for a disk fai

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Ross Smith wrote: > True, but I'm seeing more and more articles pointing out that the > risk of a secondary failure is increasing as disks grow in size, and Quite true. > While I'm not sure of the actual error rates (Western digital list > their unrecoverable rates as < 1 i

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Ross wrote: > protected even if a disk fails. I found this post quite an > interesting > read:http://blogs.sun.com/relling/entry/raid_recommendations_space_vs_mttdl Richard's blog entry does not tell the whole story. ZFS does not protect against memory corruption errors an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread Ross
Mirrored drives should be fine. My understanding is that write performance suffers slightly in a mirrored configuration, but random reads are much faster. In your scenario I would expect mirroring to give far superior performance than raid-z2. We're looking to do something similar, but we're

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-08 Thread Peter Tribble
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Paul B. Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We have been evaluating ZFS as a potential solution for delivering > enterprise file services for our campus. ... > I was thinking about allocating 2 drives for the OS (SVM mirroring, pending > ZFS boot support), two hot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Paul B. Henson wrote: > > I was thinking about allocating 2 drives for the OS (SVM mirroring, pending > ZFS boot support), two hot spares, and allocating the other 44 drives as > mirror pairs into a single pool. While this will result in lower available > space than raidz, my un

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-07 Thread Richard Elling
Paul B. Henson wrote: > We have been evaluating ZFS as a potential solution for delivering > enterprise file services for our campus. I've posted a couple of times with > various questions, but to recap we want to provide file space to our > approximately 22000 students and 2400 faculty/staff, as w

[zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-07 Thread Paul B. Henson
We have been evaluating ZFS as a potential solution for delivering enterprise file services for our campus. I've posted a couple of times with various questions, but to recap we want to provide file space to our approximately 22000 students and 2400 faculty/staff, as well as group project space fo