[ZION] Study topics this week

2003-11-10 Thread Jim Cobabe
Some things I am currently interested in studying: Character of Jesus during his youth. Luke 2:52 "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." D&C 93:14 "And thus he was called the Son of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first." Implications

Re: [ZION] This is I (sorry that I kin speekee the English)

2003-11-10 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
Jon Spencer wrote: Hey, Gramps! I will give him this email, as well as keeping it. Thank you very much for your support. I do worry about his testimony in the environment in which he will be immersed. There are many Saints who do well, and he does have a very strong testimony right now, but ev

RE: [ZION] How to Become a Gospel Scholar

2003-11-10 Thread Jim Cobabe
Here's a paper addressing that topic from John Welch. He is not a general authority, but is certainly a gospel scholar with few peers. "http://www.byui.edu/Ricks/employee/ALLREDP/Assignments-Gospel%20Scholarship/Welch%20on%20Gospel%20Scholarship.htm"; //

Re: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come

2003-11-10 Thread Lew Thomas
At 07:45 PM 11/10/2003, you wrote: I had heard that two apostles will be killed in Jerusalem and be brought back to life 3 1/2 years before the return of Christ, but have no scriptural reference for this. Jon 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of th

Fwd: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come

2003-11-10 Thread Lew Thomas
Here is a brief, incomplete list of the signs of the times that have not yet been fulfilled: 1. Global hailstorm 2. No rainbow 3. Global earthquake 4. Sun turn dark 5. Moon turn to blood 6. Stars fall from heaven 7. Burning mountain cast into the sea 8. Priesthood meeting at Adam-ondi-ahman 9. I

RE: [ZION] "Mother" Teresa

2003-11-10 Thread John A. English, n/OEF
Dear friends, > -Original Message- > From: Jon Spencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ZION] "Mother" Teresa > ... snip > So I suggest that we withhold our criticism of MT and focus on our own > salvation. MT wil

Re: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come

2003-11-10 Thread Jon Spencer
I had heard that two apostles will be killed in Jerusalem and be brought back to life 3 1/2 years before the return of Christ, but have no scriptural reference for this. Jon - Original Message - From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 10

Re: [ZION] "Mother" Teresa

2003-11-10 Thread Jon Spencer
John W. Redelfs wrote: Not only that, but according to Christ, almsgiving is to be done anonymously. Mother Theresa was FAMOUS for her unselfishness. Just how unselfish can giving be when it brings that kind of fame? --JWR ** I think that we need to be careful about our view of MT. This w

Re: [ZION] "Mother" Teresa

2003-11-10 Thread Jon Spencer
It seems that I may have been taken in by the popular press accounts of her, without doing much critical thinking. On the other hand, since I don't know much about her, I must avoid being taken in by negative stories. But, to tell you the truth, I don't really know if it is important enough to me

[ZION] Signs Yet to Come

2003-11-10 Thread John W. Redelfs
Here is a brief, incomplete list of the signs of the times that have not yet been fulfilled: 1. Global hailstorm 2. No rainbow 3. Global earthquake 4. Sun turn dark 5. Moon turn to blood 6. Stars fall from heaven 7. Burning mountain cast into the sea 8. Priesthood meeting at Adam-ondi-ahman 9. Is

[ZION] Signs Already Received

2003-11-10 Thread John W. Redelfs
Many of the signs of Christ's Second Coming have already been received. Help me list them: 1. The restoration of the gospel. 2. The coming forth of the Book of Mormon 3. The return of Elijah 4. The gospel taken to the Lamanites 5. Gospel preached in almost all the world 6. Israelites established

Re: [ZION] "Mother" Teresa

2003-11-10 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stephen Beecroft wrote: Christopher Hitchens hates "Mother" Teresa. This is not a secret. Given some of Hitchens' proclivities, I am not necessarily prone to uncritical acceptance of his viewpoint, but the man is very intelligent and, I think, makes a few good points. (Not that I know enough abou

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2003-11-10 Thread John W. Redelfs
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[ZION] "Mother" Teresa

2003-11-10 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Christopher Hitchens hates "Mother" Teresa. This is not a secret. Given some of Hitchens' proclivities, I am not necessarily prone to uncritical acceptance of his viewpoint, but the man is very intelligent and, I think, makes a few good points. (Not that I know enough about the issues to mak

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2003-11-10 Thread Stephen Beecroft
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[ZION] Official Doctrine #3

2003-11-10 Thread John W. Redelfs
From Gospel Principles: Knowing the Signs of the Times Can Help Us No one except our Heavenly Father knows exactly when the Lord will come. The Savior taught this with the parable of the fig tree. He said that when we see a fig tree putting forth leaves, we can tell that summer will soon come.

Re: [ZION] Hai karate?

2003-11-10 Thread Cousin Bill
From: "Stephen Beecroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So my question is: Does anyone on this list do martial arts-type stuff? Any ninjas, or karate kids, or judo choppers, or boxers, or Muay Thai kickboxers? Any of that stuff actually work in a practical self-defense situation? My kids to

Re: [ZION] This is Me

2003-11-10 Thread Cousin Bill
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Re: [ZION] How to Become a Gospel Scholar

2003-11-10 Thread Jon Spencer
I have a good book on becoming a Gospel Scholar. I'll try to find it. Jon - Original Message - From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [ZION] How to Become a Gospel Scholar > Didn't one of the apostles give a

Re: [ZION] Thrift!

2003-11-10 Thread Jon Spencer
> > Yes, yes, Till once had a bugeye Austin Healy Sprite*. Absolute fun to > drive. The only drawbacks were the long gap between 2nd and 3rd gear, and > the absence of side windows (had curtains) when it was cold. Sure miss > that little blue Frog! I had a 1953 Healy 100. It was a "sports car"

Re: [ZION] My intro

2003-11-10 Thread Jon Spencer
Ah! NOW I remember you. Noj - Original Message - From: "Stephen Beecroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: [ZION] My intro > Who am I? > > Think back to high school. Remember the coolest kid there? He was > incredibly smart,

Re: [ZION] This is I (sorry that I kin speekee the English)

2003-11-10 Thread Jon Spencer
Hey, Gramps! I will give him this email, as well as keeping it. Thank you very much for your support. I do worry about his testimony in the environment in which he will be immersed. There are many Saints who do well, and he does have a very strong testimony right now, but every little bit helps

[ZION] Hai karate?

2003-11-10 Thread Stephen Beecroft
About seventeen years ago, I lived at BYU with my cousin in a big old yellow polygamist house in Provo (5th East and 7th North, across the street from the laundromat there) that had been divided into four apartments. The smallest of those apartments was inhabited by a guy who taught ninjutsu,

RE: [ZION] This is Me

2003-11-10 Thread Tom Matkin
Jim offered: This is the perfect gift for rendezvous black-powder > re-enactment enthusiasts. Made in Canada. Black-powder "re-enactments"? Wazzzat? We wear those coyote hats in church in the winter (9 months of the year). Tom /

[ZION] How to Become a Gospel Scholar

2003-11-10 Thread John W. Redelfs
Didn't one of the apostles give a talk "How to Become a Gospel Scholar" or some such title? Does anyone here know which talk I'm referring to? Who gave it? Where it can be found? --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Plea

Re: [ZION] My intro

2003-11-10 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stephen Beecroft wrote: Now remember his socially-inept, clumsy, nerdy little zit-faced brother who stammered a lot and wet his pants during the sex ed segment of Health class? That's me. Very funny, Stephen. You forget that some of us have met you and your family. --JWR //

RE: [ZION] This is Me

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
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[ZION] My intro

2003-11-10 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Who am I? Think back to high school. Remember the coolest kid there? He was incredibly smart, but so athletic that the jocks wanted to hang with him anyway. He was so good-looking that the cheerleaders all wanted to date him, but his girlfriend was the friendly but shy girl with braces that

RE: [ZION] This is Me

2003-11-10 Thread Jim Cobabe
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RE: [ZION] Thrift!

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:39 PM 11/8/2003 -0600, St John AE wrote: Back in the 70's I bought an MG Midget. It was new and I paid too much fir it, but it was a really cool car. It was fast, cornered like an expensive sports car and economical on the gas bill. It was the most fun I ever had driving. Yes, yes, Till

RE: [ZION] The play's the thing.

2003-11-10 Thread Tom Matkin
Gary expresses doubt: However, I don't know how you are going to > get those awesome Matrix special effects to ever come out. I mean, it is > one thing to see them on the big screen, but in person? That's the essence of theatre. You ask for "suspension of disbelief" and you get it. Is it any h

Re: [ZION] Sons of perdition

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:16 PM 11/8/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: I have some quotes here, which will show that one must do more than receive the Holy Ghost and reject it to become a candidate for perdition. You will see that one must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened up, know God, and then

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-10 Thread Lew Thomas
At 06:49 AM 11/10/2003, you wrote: At 07:09 PM 11/7/2003 +, Rabbi Rabinowitz wrote: The bottom line is that while the question of exaltation may turn on our willingness to enter into the eternal covenant of marriage--a specific commandment--it turns most of all upon our willingness to keep ALL

Re: [ZION] This is Me

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:11 PM 11/8/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom wrote: I've done a lot of "window" shopping for hats on the web. There's lots of sites, you can find them by searching for "fedora hats" on Google. I've drooled quite a lot over Clearwater Hats. They have a nice web presence and a great selection of hand

RE: [ZION] The play's the thing.

2003-11-10 Thread Gerald Smith
Tom's ideas are good, too. However, I don't know how you are going to get those awesome Matrix special effects to ever come out. I mean, it is one thing to see them on the big screen, but in person? Maybe if you plugged all the parents into the machinery, like in the real Matrix. Hm.

RE: [ZION] The play's the thing.

2003-11-10 Thread Tom Matkin
Gary's idea is perfect. To jumpstart the process you could base the play on a nursery story like the three little pigs, Chicken Little or the Matrix sequel 9. Teach them the nursery story then if the ideas don't flow, get a video camera out, do some casting and turn them loose. "Hey you, you're th

[ZION] The play's the thing.

2003-11-10 Thread Gerald Smith
I suggest you have the kids write one. They can use their strength inthe language to write it, come up with their own story line, and put it down in English words. Then you can help them correct it, and then practice the play. In this way, they are not just memorizing a play, but actually us

Re: [ZION] This is Me

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:52 AM 11/8/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Tom Matkin wrote: I wear hats. Fedora's, Pendletons, Straws, Outbacks, and the like. I wear hats in a place where all the other men, and a few of the women, favour ball caps. Even in their Sunday best they will sometimes wear a John Deere cap... to the temple

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:09 PM 11/7/2003 +, Rabbi Rabinowitz wrote: The bottom line is that while the question of exaltation may turn on our willingness to enter into the eternal covenant of marriage--a specific commandment--it turns most of all upon our willingness to keep ALL of his commandments and in so doing

[ZION] The play's the thing.

2003-11-10 Thread Cousin Bill
Attempt to start new thread #3. As many of you know, I reside in Japan, making my living by babysitting kids ... I mean teaching kids English lessons. -- One thing I would like to try to do is put on a program for these kids' parents to make them think that I'm actually doing some

Re: [ZION] Dungeons and Dragons

2003-11-10 Thread Cousin Bill
BTW, there are also personality tests out there for Star Trek personalities, M&M, muppets, XMen and cartoon villains. Here are a few links: http://www.geocities.com/windowkachan/personality/dbz/ Juuhachigou! I am a bit of a loner, but I have a squishy romantic side that fanfic writers just love

[ZION] Starts with G "Grief"

2003-11-10 Thread Tom Matkin
I wrote this about 10 years ago, but I still remember why I wrote it. Turns out the brass ring did swing back and I caught it (or it caught me). It was worth the wait, but the point the poem makes still applies... in many cases. The Grief of Missing by Tom Matkin The grief of missing The bra