Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-06-05 Thread Chet Cox
On Tue, 27 May 2003 23:00:24 -0400 Jon Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I, on the other hand, while watching the situation very carefully, > have not > yet asked for a Prozac prescription. While I do not trust the > government, > neither do I assume evil intent. Indeed. Never ascribe evi

Re: [ZION] Tobacco and What To Do About Irritating Second-Hand Smoke

2003-06-10 Thread Chet Cox
And "experts" are still trying to tell us there's no ill effect from second-hand smoke. Fooey to the experts! *jeep! --Chet On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:46:02 -0700 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi. I just got out of the hospital about a week ago. (I finally > went > there in despera

[ZION] Linux Help

2003-06-18 Thread Chet Cox
We have a reactivated brother who is having difficulties with Redhat Linux. He says it's the basics (upgrading and uploading). I remember John leading a good and informative Linux discussion over a year ago. Is there anyone left who might be able to help this good buddy out? *jeep! --Chet "S

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-21 Thread Chet Cox
Y'know, this thread wouldn't have been half as fun if we hadn't watched *Monk* last night. *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible." The best thing to hi

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-23 Thread Chet Cox
Do you have any idea how often we were reminded to wash our hands? And to keep breath mints handy, for when we worked at the veil? I started carrying my antiseptic spray (used normally for cleaning before glucose testing) or wipes. You'll usually notice a fresh soapy smell (or a minty odor) from

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-23 Thread Chet Cox
Not too complicated. Before glucose testing, I spray the area I'm going to puncture with the antiseptic. With my current glucose meter, I can use my forearm rather than my fingers. Finger-sticking hurts! *jeep! --Chet On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:11:56 -0700 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Re: [ZION] Diabetes (was: Re: hand shakes)

2003-06-25 Thread Chet Cox
Stacy and Scott: You might check out http://www.mendosa.com/index.html for Rick Mendoza's excellent (beats even ADA's) updates on the world of diabetes. What meter is best for me might not be best for you, and vice versa. Rick has a HUGE group of comparisons. I preferred the painful and slow In

[ZION] National Perspirer headline! (Was: hand shakes

2003-06-25 Thread Chet Cox
Reminds me of the spoof National Enquirer front page: BOY TRAPPED IN REFRIGERATOR EATS OWN FOOT! *jeep! --Chet On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:53:48 -0400 Scott McGee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry, I forgot that the list strips attachments. Load this URL to > see > the picture: > >http://t

Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)

2003-07-13 Thread Chet Cox
The chapters in question were literally forced into the novel -- and were from a failed attempt at a play that Conan Doyle had earlier written. In that play, the hero was the cliched "civilized Briton" in the cliched uncivilized world -- in this case, Dr. John Watson. The play was more or less th

[ZION] The Condemnation (was: Samoa Temple)

2003-07-13 Thread Chet Cox
We've had this discussion before (whether the church was, collectively, still under condemnation for not taking the Book of Mormon more seriously) and I think the consensus was - since the condemnation was VERY public'ly mentioned each time it was mentioned by a prophet - that we'd certainly hear a

Re: [ZION] Is Laughter a Sin?

2003-07-14 Thread Chet Cox
Nope. Note that the scriptures reference "loud" laughter and a "light mind." J. Golden Kimball, Brigham Young, Joseph Smith, Gordon B. Hinckley, and many other general authorities have not only used humour, but spoken of the therapeutic value of laughter. Loud, raucious laughter (of the type wh

Re: [ZION] Is Laughter a Sin?

2003-07-15 Thread Chet Cox
Yup. Which is a lot of what the Gospel seems to be about, it seems to me. Which is (our self-improvement) secondary to our acceptance (not necessarily our understanding) of the Atonement. After all, perfecting the Saints is one of our goals (and that includes perfecting ourselves), along with re

Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)

2003-07-15 Thread Chet Cox
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:13:09 -0600 Steven Montgomery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes that he's not Mark Gregson. Or is it the other way around?: > > >= Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = > > Hmmm. Somehow, even though I love books and am a voracious reader, > Sir (he > was knighte

[ZION] Video Amusement (was: Gods and Generals)

2003-07-17 Thread Chet Cox
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:15:03 -0800 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes a great deal about *Gods & Generals*, a movie I fully intend to see whenever it's free and I have spare time. And then he challenged us: > What about you all? Have any of you seen a good movie lately? I buy a > cou

Re: [ZION] Magazine Subscriptions

2003-07-17 Thread Chet Cox
We used to subscribe to *US News & World Report* but the 'net has taken the place of our news source(s). Currently, we subscribe to nothing, because we've moved four times this year and will move at least twice more before the year's over. Our *Ensign* and *Comics Buyers' Guide* were unable to ca

Re: [ZION] Magazine Subscriptions

2003-07-17 Thread Chet Cox
*Alter-Ego* was the fanzine which created comics fandom, back in 1960. There had been a few 'zines before -- one as far back as the 1930s -- but Dr. Jerry Bails & Roy Thomas (mainly Jerry) really got the ball rolling with A/E. Jerry & Roy were instrumental in the revival of the Justice Society (c

Re: [ZION] Video Amusement (was: Gods and Generals)

2003-07-17 Thread Chet Cox
Haven't seen it yet. Maybe next (Cherie's) paycheck. Lynn Walker & wife saw it in Spanish Fork, and his highest recommendation is that it isn't nihlistic like Moore's comic. *jeep! --me On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:39:07 -0800 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECT

[ZION] At-one-ment

2003-07-20 Thread Chet Cox
There are many things wrong in my life - in all our lives - right now. There is enough hardship going around for me to believe that no one who is striving to choose the right is having an easy time of it. And there are times when I come close to despair. And then I get reminded by a wonderful le

[ZION] Miracles (was: Mars

2003-08-01 Thread Chet Cox
Continuing the line of discussion that George nicely began: "Classic" miracles, in my bumble opinion, are less impressive to the 21st century human. There was a hilarious re-telling of a 1960 comic story (the JLA origin, if anyone's interested) in which one of the main characters, a Martian, find

Re: [ZION] Miracles (was: Mars

2003-08-03 Thread Chet Cox
Can't say that my faith has been strengthened by this (or other) miracles I've witnessed (or been a part of. Long-time Zionists may remember that I'm alive today strictly because of a prophesied blessing given by a counselor in an Anchorage bishopric.); I am, rather, stricken with awe (and entirel

Re: [ZION] MormonThinkers [was Kicked Off the FAIR List]

2003-08-14 Thread Chet Cox
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:57:23 GMT Larry Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > This is news to me. Never heard of a list called > MormonThinkers. Neither have I. Though I could think of a list or two which could be called MormonStinkers. *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary,

Re: [ZION] Caral, Peru 2627 B.C.

2003-08-14 Thread Chet Cox
Could mean that this is where all our principals came from. Our principal was Seminole. *jeep! --Chet Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > > Probably due to the statement in the introduction to the BoM which > > states that they are the "principal ancestors" . . . So Kent wondered: > So does that

[ZION] Saints or Sinners?

2003-08-16 Thread Chet Cox
Here's an age-old quandry (expressed in the 5th paragraph, but the previous paragraphs set it up so I thought I'd include them) that I recall being discussed in General Conferences during and after World War II, and used to be discussed during the Great Days of the Zion list (back when we weren't

Re: [ZION] Saints or Sinners?

2003-08-16 Thread Chet Cox
He's speaking of affordability. Right now, he has no medical plan -- which is one big reason for the day job that he hopes will become full time Real Soon Now. There's a lot of people in that boat nowadays. If it weren't for my VA benefits, I would be too. *jeep! --Chet On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 1

[ZION] Temple worthiness (was: Gnostic secrets and Gospel truths

2003-08-19 Thread Chet Cox
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:04:57 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > An intriguing question -- if we enter the temple unworthily, how is our > presence there different from interlopers who intrude there? > > --- > Jim Cobabe It is an intriguing question, and one which came up in a te

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-09 Thread Chet Cox
Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul (not Paul Osborne) actually advised was that it wasn't correct for women to RULE in church. If you read the rest of Paul's letter, it's pretty obvious that men shouldn't RULE in church either. *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing wha

Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops

2003-09-20 Thread Chet Cox
If my experience/background is correct, they're most likely cringing and thinking "Oh that poor Brother Cobabe. I wish I had a couple of miracles for him!" *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible." On Sat, 20 Sep 2003

Re: [ZION] Thought for the day

2003-09-27 Thread Chet Cox
Congratulations to the ever-growing line of Redelfs! (How is it that I've not been receiving anything from the Zion list for weeks and now this shows up all by itself?) *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible." On Sat,

[ZION] For Stacy & other diabetics (wuz: Thought for the day

2003-09-30 Thread Chet Cox
Stacy (don't anyone else look, y'hear?) asked where to find more diabetic products. Well if you believe the deputy sheriff from Brigham City, a place called Liberty will deliever diabetic supplies right to your door. For the rest of us, it's one of the first things I do when we move to a new town

Re: [ZION] Where have all the Mormon feminists gone?

2003-10-05 Thread Chet Cox
The quick and easy answer to the subject question is: they (including feminists such as Gordon B. Hinckley) are still faithful members of the Church. The controversial answer is: just what is meant by the term "feminist"? Its original meaning was one who sought equal rights, blessings, and resp

Re: [ZION] Did you hear about ...

2003-10-05 Thread Chet Cox
Yep. He was obviously a first cousin of the agnostic dyslexic insomniac. On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:29:24 -0400 Jon Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshiper? > > > He sold his soul to Santa. > > Noj __

Re: [ZION] Forgiveness of Serious Sins by Individual Members

2003-10-12 Thread Chet Cox
Maybe. Or it may be that I can forgive Cal Worthinginton for cheating me when he sold me a broken-down car. I do NOT have to ever buy a car from Cal Worthington again. Similarly, a woman can forgive someone who abused her. (I don't know how they can, I only know that they must for their own pea

Re: [ZION] What did the Buddist monk ..

2003-10-13 Thread Chet Cox
Ouch! The traffic is getting so slow around here that Jon is reduced to using jokes that even *Lois & Clark* recycled. (Or was that a Byrned issue of Superman?) Oops - pardon me. That was Jon's Bizarro twin: Noj. *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and

Re: [ZION] What did the Buddist monk ..

2003-10-14 Thread Chet Cox
you to relate Noj with Bizarro, unless of > course ... > could it be ... is your real name, perhaps, Tehc > > > Peej! > Noj > > - Original Message - > From: "Chet Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Mo

Re: [ZION] hi

2003-10-23 Thread Chet Cox
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:47:09 -0500 "John A. English, n/OEF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello folks, seems rather quiet out there. SHH!! --We're hunting wabbits! *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible."

Re: [ZION] I wanna break the charter too

2003-10-27 Thread Chet Cox
This idea is SO wonderful that I think we'll try to save up to go to SLC for the next conference (or maybe for October's). This would be a great photo opportunity for any paper, and I would hope someone would print a photo of one of these hate mongers when they're crushing and kicking the flowers.

Re: [ZION] THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Harold Bloom

2003-10-27 Thread Chet Cox
My feelings about the Principle and its semi-repeal (it's only sort of repealed) is that if it DOES return before The Millenial, it will be because the Lord says to renew it. If it doesn't return, it will because the Lord says not to. It will have nothing to do with the church's political power o

Re: [ZION] Catholics & Mormons unite

2003-11-02 Thread Chet Cox
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:45:22 -0700 George Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Thought you might like to read a short paper I wrote which may have > some > application to the question. > > George [Nothing by George follows.] Wow! That WAS a short paper! *jeep! --Chet PS: The actual pa