On 5/27/05, Hugo Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/27/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad
code, and in particular, abuse of ZPT in my entire life...
And DTML sux, you wanna use it, fine, that says something
Am Montag, den 30.05.2005, 13:05 +0800 schrieb Ismet Dere:
I also like DTML a lot, found it way too easy to understand and simple to use.
I wonder how DTML is more easy then an equally simple
python expression in a script?
Lazy people should love ZPT since it saves a lot of typing
compared to
Ismet Dere escribió:
On 5/27/05, Hugo Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/27/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad
code, and in particular, abuse of ZPT in my entire life...
And DTML sux, you wanna use it,
I also like DTML a lot, found it way too easy to understand and simple to use.
it was that simplicity of DTML that made me choose and use Zope over
PHP in the first place.
if dtml is to be phased out, Zope will be less attractive for new
users then soon will be irrelevant no matter how
--On 30. Mai 2005 13:05:31 +0800 Ismet Dere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if dtml is to be phased out, Zope will be less attractive for new
users then soon will be irrelevant no matter how sophisticated and
advanced it may become.
There are no plans to phase DTML out - neither in Zope 2 nor in
Andrew Milton wrote:
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You must be new here We've all learnt to ignore Chris...
He gets easily confused... or maybe he doesn't take his
Am Freitag, den 27.05.2005, 00:20 +0200 schrieb Jaroslav Lukesh:
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I absolutelly agree with you, it is like my words.
But separation of logic and presentation could be done successfully in DTML
too. ZPT, which have separation argument is not as easy to make totally
This is even somewhat
Wow, thanks for the replies guys. It's good to hear I am not the only
one who likes DTML.
Tino, thanks for the explanations. I have some thoughts below on
that, and keep in mind, I am questioning from my own ignorance.
Tino Wrote:
The major drawbacks of DTML are:
- one namespace (with
Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Unfortunately Plone is still a bad example for ZPT. It is getting
better but still it has a lot of code and definition in the templates.
Maybe AT would be a way out.
AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad
code, and in particular, abuse of
On 5/27/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad
code, and in particular, abuse of ZPT in my entire life...
And DTML sux, you wanna use it, fine, that says something about you. Use
ZClasses, Plone, AT and XUF at the same
On 5/26/05, Greg Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is DTML really that much harder to use?
Nah, but it's uglier. Also, the idea is that a web editor that
confirms to the tsandard of ignoring things it doens't understand,
should in theory be usable with TAL, but not with DTML. In practice,
Using DTML from WYSIWYG editors is definitely a drawback. But, how
many of us use them for doing our work? I might use Dreamweaver to
clean up my sliced web template, but soon as I start my Zope work,
it's all Crimson Editor coding by hand to Zope. Using Dreamweaver
actually slows me down, it's
Ah you are right. Just occured to me. That is kind of a pain in
DTML, but I've learned how to deal with it. Makes sense.
If I already have an object, say from a form submitted, in the REQUEST
namespace, and I then retrieve data from sql and a column has the same
name, I will have an issue.
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You must be new here We've all learnt to ignore Chris...
He gets easily confused... or maybe he doesn't take his medication... not
sure, but,
David H wrote:
I understand that DTML will be in Zope 3. My question is, do
namespaces and context also migrate to Zope 3? If not, could break
existing code?
I would suggest that the chances of any DTML from Zope 2 working in Zope
3 are slim, at best ;-)
Why DTML is IN Zope 3 in the
Yellow,
I think because of lazy people like me that prefer to use DTML in a
fast way than go into a deep Python level to get the job done...
I know that, eventually, one of these days I'll have to move on to
Python only but until that day comes... DTML and a little bit of
Python where needed
Hugo Ramos wrote:
Yellow,
I think because of lazy people like me that prefer to use DTML in a
fast way than go into a deep Python level to get the job done...
I know that, eventually, one of these days I'll have to move on to
Python only but until that day comes... DTML and a little bit of
Yellow,
I have the same feeling... Python should be the primary language used
in Zope but let's not just cut the support on DTML leaving thousands
out there spinning around and having to go into Python as fast as they
can because DTML is not supported anymore.
Changes take time... Getting used to
I am just curious, why is DTML not good? It does 9 out of 10 things I
want quite easily. From my perspective, I really dont want to learn
new ways of doing things if this works. I also have no desire to do
templating. I can see the need for it in a large development shop,but
for me, a 1 guy
Greg Fischer wrote:
I am just curious, why is DTML not good? It does 9 out of 10 things I
want quite easily. From my perspective, I really dont want to learn
new ways of doing things if this works. I also have no desire to do
templating. I can see the need for it in a large development
Dne tvrtek, 26. kvtna 2005 22:03 Greg Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napsal(a):
I am just curious, why is DTML not good? It does 9 out of 10 things I
want quite easily. From my perspective, I really dont want to learn
new ways of doing things if this works. I also have no desire to do
I use DTML alot, I also code all
my HTML/CSS by hand for control sake. If you use a Dreamweaver, et al,
DTML requires tool tweaking, if it works at all. If you read HTML, and
are aware of all of the browser quirks, DTML is quick and easy... New
tags are easy, they stand out and quite common...
I agree,
I find DTML great and s simple and clear. I wonder why Zopeheads
hate this so much!
Remy
On 5/26/05, Jonathan Cyr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I use DTML alot, I also code all my HTML/CSS by hand for control sake. If
you use a Dreamweaver, et al, DTML requires tool tweaking, if it
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