Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-10 Thread Oliver Bleutgen
Dieter Maurer wrote: Oliver Bleutgen wrote at 2003-6-10 16:20 +0200: > ... > And you have to take acquisition into account > > folder1 >some_object > folder2 >version2 > > some_object shouldn't be lockable into version2. Where did you ever read that the effect of versions were i

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Oliver Bleutgen wrote at 2003-6-10 16:20 +0200: > ... > And you have to take acquisition into account > > folder1 >some_object > folder2 >version2 > > some_object shouldn't be lockable into version2. Where did you ever read that the effect of versions were in any way restricted

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Oliver Bleutgen wrote at 2003-6-6 22:48 +0200: > Dieter Maurer wrote: > > Oliver Bleutgen wrote at 2003-6-6 11:46 +0200: > > > 3. And (minor problem, but whatever), since zope relies completely on > > > the browser to send cookies only the right time (i.e. that the path set > > > for th

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Shane Hathaway wrote at 2003-6-10 10:15 -0400: > Brian Lloyd wrote: > > FYI - we plan for this to be fixed in 2.6.2, preferably by fixing > > the version machinery to require the "join / leave versions" > > permission (which is assigned only to managers by default. > > It will be interesting

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-10 Thread Lennart Regebro
Shane Hathaway wrote: I really wouldn't mind if we just disabled version support altogether, with a configuration option to re-enable it. Perhaps users would appreciate having less to worry about. I still think this is the best idea. If this is not possible, then at least removing it from the U

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-10 Thread Oliver Bleutgen
Shane Hathaway wrote: Brian Lloyd wrote: FYI - we plan for this to be fixed in 2.6.2, preferably by fixing the version machinery to require the "join / leave versions" permission (which is assigned only to managers by default. It will be interesting to find out how this can be accomplished. To

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-10 Thread Shane Hathaway
Brian Lloyd wrote: FYI - we plan for this to be fixed in 2.6.2, preferably by fixing the version machinery to require the "join / leave versions" permission (which is assigned only to managers by default. It will be interesting to find out how this can be accomplished. To use a version, you have

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-10 Thread Oliver Bleutgen
Chris Withers wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: My opinion on this is a little different. It's quite easy for anyone to make mischief on any Zope server that lets people make even minor changes to the site, such as giving feedback, posting a discussion item, etc. On the weekend I had the idea tha

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-10 Thread Chris Withers
Shane Hathaway wrote: My opinion on this is a little different. It's quite easy for anyone to make mischief on any Zope server that lets people make even minor changes to the site, such as giving feedback, posting a discussion item, etc. All you have to do is include a Zope-Version cookie in t

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-06 Thread Oliver Bleutgen
Dieter Maurer wrote: Oliver Bleutgen wrote at 2003-6-6 11:46 +0200: > 3. And (minor problem, but whatever), since zope relies completely on > the browser to send cookies only the right time (i.e. that the path set > for the cookie must match a prefix of the request-URI), this might > also

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-06 Thread Oliver Bleutgen
Aaah, big thanks for chiming in. *sigh of relief*. Shane Hathaway wrote: Casey Duncan wrote: The security implications do not seem dire enough to me to warrent trying to squeeze this into 2.6.x. If you do not use versions then none of the implications apply. Perhaps it might be possible to do

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-06 Thread Shane Hathaway
Casey Duncan wrote: The security implications do not seem dire enough to me to warrent trying to squeeze this into 2.6.x. If you do not use versions then none of the implications apply. Perhaps it might be possible to do additional security checks to make entering versions more protected. This m

Re: small summary and big plea was:(Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: shouldthey die?)

2003-06-06 Thread Oliver Bleutgen
Casey Duncan wrote: One man's opinion: - Version support (at the application level) should be optional in 2.7. You should be able to turn it off (maybe through ZConfig). The default should probably be off, since I think more people avoid them than use them. I would suggest these approaches: 1: