YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES OH GOD YES!
I mean. Yes! Backup/restore, and deploy. We're deploying a customers
site in chunks - one section, then another, then a third. It's content
that's being migrated off of Zope 2. The other developer here was
complaining about ha
Sorry for the indentation problem Jeff's post and mine got combined.
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Andreas Jung said:
> Export/import is likely much more important than being able to edit
> content on the filesystem. Writing simple mechanisms for
> exporting/importing schema-based content to XML/from XML should not be
> so hard.
Yeah. And sometimes XML just gets in the way - namely, when you
Hi,
the current trunk produces two unit-test and one functional-test failures
when running `make test`[0].
python: 2.4.2
gcc: 4.0.1
[0] Tracebacks:
Failure in test /usr/src/zope3-svn/src/zope/testing/testrunner-coverage.txt
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/unittest.p
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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:27 AM
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Cc: zope3-dev@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Why I posted about Zope3.org (the outsider's
thoughtsthat got me thinking)
On 10/11/05
[Michael Kerrin]
> I have just changed the svn:external for Twisted to a more stable 2.1 branch
> which should contain the fix for the Windows problem you reported. I still
> haven't checked Zope on windows yet because of a problem in the with FTP but
> I have being assured that it will run.
>
> I
On 10/11/05, Simon Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PS - I believe you can predict a site's and its project's success based
> on whether it f*ks^H^H^H shrinks the fonts. Seriously. :) php.net,
> drupal.org, gnome.org, debian.org leave the font alone.
You may be on to something. :-)
New theor
PS - I believe you can predict a site's and its project's success based
on whether it f*ks^H^H^H shrinks the fonts. Seriously. :) php.net,
drupal.org, gnome.org, debian.org leave the font alone.
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Hi Tim,
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 17:31, Tim Peters wrote:
> [Michael Kerrin]
>
> > I have just seen a check in on Twisted from James Knight which should fix
> > fcntl import problem in twisted.web2.channel.cgi
> >
> > I have also being in contact with Itamar Shtull-Trauring from the Twisted
> >
Stephan Richter said:
> On Tuesday 11 October 2005 09:36, Jake wrote:
>> Why not spend the time and energy making Zope.org a better place than
>> just moving it off to yet another under-developed and utilized
>> website?
>
> zope.org has very different requirements than zope3.org. The reason we
> w
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 14:38, Julien Anguenot wrote:
> I deactivated it by default weeks ago under global agreement. Can I
> deactivate it back on trunk ?
Yes, probably a relic from the merge of the Twisted branch.
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Hi there,
The latest changes on the Zope3 trunk activate back the PTP server by
default within the zope.conf files.
I deactivated it by default weeks ago under global agreement. Can I
deactivate it back on trunk ?
J.
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On 10/11/05, Stephan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 October 2005 13:24, Jeff Shell wrote:
> > Personally, I really like the Z3ECM project site - z3lab.org. It has a
> > combination of blogs, papers, demos (animations) and documentation.
> > That's still a project in its infancy,
On 10/11/05, Stephan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 October 2005 13:24, Jeff Shell wrote:
> > I'd really like to give Zope 3 a try, and I keep trying to. The docs
> > are just nauseating. They might look good or fine to someone who's
> > used Zope for years, but to someone new t
For reference, http://zopewiki.org is an up-to-date zope 2 zwiki (see
joyful.com for others), with mail-out/mail-in/external editor etc.
enabled. If you haven't checked it recently, please do check the new
organization by audience (down the left of the front page).
I did a html-only zwiki demo
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Stephan Richter wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 October 2005 13:24, Jeff Shell wrote:
>
>>Personally, I really like the Z3ECM project site - z3lab.org. It has a
>>combination of blogs, papers, demos (animations) and documentation.
>>That's still a project in i
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 13:24, Jeff Shell wrote:
> Personally, I really like the Z3ECM project site - z3lab.org. It has a
> combination of blogs, papers, demos (animations) and documentation.
> That's still a project in its infancy, but it's a good looking site
> with a variety of sources feedin
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 13:24, Jeff Shell wrote:
> I'd really like to give Zope 3 a try, and I keep trying to. The docs
> are just nauseating. They might look good or fine to someone who's
> used Zope for years, but to someone new they're horrid. As I
> mentioned, the site is laid out horribly f
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 13:24, Jeff Shell wrote:
> - We have doctests that actually work and are maintained, lets get
> some of that online! Lets get other doctest style documents online!
This will be done for Zope 3.2. API doc, which contains an organized version
of most *.txt files, can now
[Michael Kerrin]
> I have just seen a check in on Twisted from James Knight which should fix
> fcntl import problem in twisted.web2.channel.cgi
>
> I have also being in contact with Itamar Shtull-Trauring from the Twisted
> community and he said we found an import problem on the
> twisted.web2.chan
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 13:24, Jeff Shell wrote:
> These are some comments he made specifically about finding Zope 3
> information. They may seem a bit crude, but he seems genuinely
> frustrated. Now - I'll add that I'm impressed with tools like apidoc,
> the books, and all of that, but if you c
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Jeff Shell wrote:
> I wanted to post something here last night about these conversations
> I've been having in email with Ben Bangert, whose has the weblog
> http://www.groovie.org/ and has written tools like Routes
> http://routes.groovie.org/ - a too
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 12:38, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Let's separate some concepts here:
>
> * Zope 3 site: the new Zope 3 website with Zope 3 specific information.
> This could be hosted under zope3.org but is not a requirement.
>
> * dev wiki NG: New Zope 3 developer's wiki. This will be hos
(I think) rather than use fssync to export multiple 'sites' in a single Zope
instance, I'd much rather have multiple ZODB file storage instances -- i.e. one
Data.fs for each site. I have no requirement to share points or UI across these
sites -- I just want to eliminate having to run a separate
I wanted to post something here last night about these conversations
I've been having in email with Ben Bangert, whose has the weblog
http://www.groovie.org/ and has written tools like Routes
http://routes.groovie.org/ - a tool for people who don't have the
benefit of nice zope.publisher style URLs
Stephan Richter wrote:
> Log message for revision 39056:
> Fixed bug from Philipp. Are you working on Windoze?
Now I see what you meant. Thanks... (I'm on MacOSX which is using HFS+,
another case-capable but -ignorant filesystem)
> Changed:
> U Zope3/trunk/src/zope/testbrowser/ftests/testdo
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 12:41, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
> If anyone here really needs WYSIWYG, please make a point, but I doubt that
> there will be one...
It's a top priority for Jim. Uwe and I agreed we would prefer ReST.
Regards,
Stephan
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Fred Drake wrote:
> On 10/11/05, Philipp von Weitershausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>- a ZWiki on a bare Zope 2 is set up within minutes
>
> A ZWiki as found on the current zope.org is unusable, so I'll presume
> you mean an up-to-date ZWiki, which I expect is much nicer.
Of course.
>>Agai
On 10/11/05, Philipp von Weitershausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - a ZWiki on a bare Zope 2 is set up within minutes
A ZWiki as found on the current zope.org is unusable, so I'll presume
you mean an up-to-date ZWiki, which I expect is much nicer.
> Again (and I'm saying this again with the pos
My name is Mats, I've visited #zope-dev under the nick gnosis. I've long
been a fan of Zope but very inactive in the community. I'm not much of a
programmer and always had a hard time grepping Zope2. Zope3 has made great
strides to develop simple stuff like content object etc, I still have a har
Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Anyway, if this is indeed the plan for zope3.org, I was under a few
> severe misapprehensions and I hereby de-volunteer.
It should be clear at this point that there was clearly a lack of
communication about this matter, temporarily forgetting the actual
question whether zo
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 12:20, Martijn Faassen wrote:
[snip]
zope.org will be very heavy. zope3.org will be very light; a simple
Wiki-like site that promotes collaboration. Even marketing is out of
scope right now.
Can you point me to the place where this was decid
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 08:57, Martijn Faassen wrote:
As goals for the site, at least the top level of it, I'd suggest
marketing, and developer marketing primarily. We need to put across that
Zope 3 is powerful, cool, easy, extensible, and built on the vast amount
of e
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 12:20, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > zope.org will be very heavy. zope3.org will be very light; a simple
> > Wiki-like site that promotes collaboration. Even marketing is out of
> > scope right now.
>
> Can you point me to the place where this was decided? Zope 3
Reinoud van Leeuwen wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 03:53:23PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Perhaps we can come up with a similar scenario as what we think is going
to happen with Zope 2 and Zope 3. Zope 2 is the old, hard to maintain
system here, Zope 3 the new cool system. We intend to improv
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 08:57, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> As goals for the site, at least the top level of it, I'd suggest
> marketing, and developer marketing primarily. We need to put across that
> Zope 3 is powerful, cool, easy, extensible, and built on the vast amount
> of experience with web
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 09:36, Jake wrote:
Why not spend the time and energy making Zope.org a better place
than just moving it off to yet another under-developed and utilized
website?
zope.org has very different requirements than zope3.org. The reason
we want our o
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 10:23, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
> > The whole WYSIWYG HTML-edit wiki thing is a neat idea involving using
> > HTML as the wiki markup language instead of something else. We'll
> > just have to see how that works out.
>
> Yes, I just wonder whether we have to think
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 09:53, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> From what I can see, the sprint focused on using Zope 3 technologies to
> build a Zope 3 site. To use Zope 3 for a Zope 3 site seems a good idea
> from the marketing perspective already -- we want to demonstrate we can
> eat our own dogfoo
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 09:46, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
> If you want to point out Zope 2's and Zope 3's differences, we can't
> have information floating around on separate sites. The top #1 questions
> on #zope that have to do with Zope 3 are:
>
> 1. Is Zope 3 mature enough to be devel
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 09:36, Jake wrote:
> Why not spend the time and energy making Zope.org a better place than just
> moving it off to yet another under-developed and utilized website?
zope.org has very different requirements than zope3.org. The reason we want
our own system is that we nee
Hi everyone,
I just finished summarizing the activities of the Neckar Sprint. You can see
it here:
http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/NeckarSprint
Regards,
Stephan
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Web2k - Web Softwa
Hello Stephan,
+1 on that.
Linux also fell in that trap not far ago that people kept adding stuff
and it slowed down the system.
Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 5:01:31 PM, you wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 October 2005 04:04, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
>> So, the main idea of the work we did last week on this top
Hello Florian,
I'm using Activestate Komodo for that. It's working quite well.
Well, sometimes it has glitches and it's not free.
Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 4:56:25 PM, you wrote:
SR> On Saturday 08 October 2005 07:24, Florian Lindner wrote:
>> what tools do you use for debugging your Zope appli
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 04:04, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
> So, the main idea of the work we did last week on this topic
> was to provide an easy tool to measure the performance of "low-level" code.
Note that I really liked the idea and how it was implemented. It would be nice
to get comments from oth
Martijn Faassen schrieb:
...
Has work been done on a reasonably slick layout for the website as well
or is this still planned?
Don't know about plans. After a short discussion on the sprint we have
agreed on starting with a very simple layout. It's not finished yet, it
should contain those el
On Saturday 08 October 2005 07:24, Florian Lindner wrote:
> what tools do you use for debugging your Zope applications and/or the Zope
> source? Is there something more comforable (more graphical) than pdb
> available? I've tried eric3 but it does not work, probably due to Zope3
> spawning processe
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 03:53:23PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote:
>
> Perhaps we can come up with a similar scenario as what we think is going
> to happen with Zope 2 and Zope 3. Zope 2 is the old, hard to maintain
> system here, Zope 3 the new cool system. We intend to improve Zope 2 by
> adding i
Roger Ineichen wrote:
wfmc question
Is it possible to get the particiapants where can start the
next activity before workItemFinished is called on a activity?
Conceivable, you could do something like this at the application
level. Within the worfklow framework though, you need an activity
be
Martijn Faassen wrote:
>> Here's my 2 cents, even if I might be too late (but hey, when should
>> I have brought this up?): I think it's a *bad* idea to host Zope 3 on
>> its own site, because:
>>
>> a) It will be yet another systems we need maintainance volunteers
>> for. As it seems we don't even
Hey Philipp,
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
[snip]
Here's my 2 cents, even if I might be too late (but hey, when should
I have brought this up?): I think it's a *bad* idea to host Zope 3 on
its own site, because:
a) It will be yet another systems we need maintainance volunteers
for. As it see
Benji York wrote:
> Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
>
>> b) It is exactly the opposite of what we've been trying to do for the
>> last couple of months: convergence, not divergence!
>
> I think that differentiating Zope 3 from Zope 2 is a good thing.
Sure. I never said that their differences s
I couldn't disagree more.
Moving Zope3 off of Zope.org is a big mistake. Zope 3 is part of Zope is
it not? Shouldn't it be on that website?
It just seems silly and short-sighted to try to break out one from the
other, when all Zopes (1/2/3..10/11/12) belong on that one website.
Wasn't that t
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
b) It is exactly the opposite of what we've been trying to do for the
last couple of months: convergence, not divergence!
I think that differentiating Zope 3 from Zope 2 is a good thing.
If we want Zope 3 and its Component Architecture to be recognized by
peo
Tonico Strasser wrote:
> Martijn Faassen schrieb:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm very curious to see what work was done on a Zope 3 website at the
>> Neckar sprint. Can someone send a report to the list?
>
> The plan has been to migrate all the Wiki pages from zope.org to zope3.org.
Interesting, and a
Uwe Oestermeier wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
I'm very curious to see what work was done on a Zope 3 website at the
Neckar sprint. Can someone send a report to the list?
We (Dominik Huber, Tonico Strasser, Gregoire Weber, and I) set up a
zope3org package (http://svn.zope.org/zope3org/) with
Martijn Faassen wrote:
>I'm very curious to see what work was done on a Zope 3 website at the
>Neckar sprint. Can someone send a report to the list?
We (Dominik Huber, Tonico Strasser, Gregoire Weber, and I) set up a
zope3org package (http://svn.zope.org/zope3org/) with the following parts:
wi
Martijn Faassen schrieb:
Hi there,
I'm very curious to see what work was done on a Zope 3 website at the
Neckar sprint. Can someone send a report to the list?
The plan has been to migrate all the Wiki pages from zope.org to zope3.org.
The new thing is, that Wikipages should be editable wit
Hi there,
I'm very curious to see what work was done on a Zope 3 website at the
Neckar sprint. Can someone send a report to the list?
I was reminded of this because of this blog entry by Jeff Shell where he
also remarks on the need for such a website:
http://griddlenoise.blogspot.com/2005/1
On Sunday 09 October 2005 11:07, Jim Fulton wrote:
> > That changes a bit the way tests are to be called.
>
> This is a fairly significant change to make without a proposal.
Right.
> I would expect that there are a number of documentation resources
> that would need to change as well.
Darn, I di
Hi Tim,
On Monday 10 October 2005 19:08, Tim Peters wrote:
> [Tim Peters]
>
> > I'll attach a (long) list of current errors. Most seem related to
> > twisted, and may ultimately stem from that there is no fcntl module on
> > Windows.
>
> Still true.
I have just seen a check in on Twisted from Jam
Jim Fulton wrote:
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Your enhancements to check run time look very interesting,
but I think they ought to be proposed and discussed.
Please revert this change and then lets discuss what we want.
Done.
So, the main idea of the work we did last week on this topic
was to provide an easy tool
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