[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.security problems related to Python 2.5 update? (Was: Removed zope.security 3.4b4)

2007-08-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 14:15 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, I saw the error reports about zope.security and got talked to from a few people that they had severe problems managing around this. I removed the 3.4b4

[Zope3-dev] Re: Removed zope.security 3.4b4

2007-08-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Christian Theune wrote: Hey, Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 14:15 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, I saw the error reports about zope.security and got talked to from a few people that they had severe problems managing around this. I removed the 3.4b4 distribution from download.zope.org to

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.security problems related to Python 2.5 update? (Was: Removed zope.security 3.4b4)

2007-08-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: [snip] Just ran into this one. I think removing it is the right decision. b2 did work for me, but b4 just broke on me. Try b5. I'd love to try the mysterious b5, but it's just not there. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope3-dev

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.security problems related to Python 2.5 update? (Was: Removed zope.security 3.4b4)

2007-08-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 17:52 +0200 schrieb Martijn Faassen: Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 15.08.2007, 14:15 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, I saw the error reports about zope.security and got talked to from

[Zope3-dev] Re: AW: deprecate ++etc++site/default?

2007-06-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Christian Theune wrote: [snip] I can't remember who I talked to about this who pointed out to me that, in most cases, you don't have to care about the `default` folder and can put the utilities that you don't want in content space just directly into the site manager. I think we discussed

[Zope3-dev] cutting away dependencies

2007-06-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, Recently I had the opportunity to try the new buildouts of two Zope 3 projects, namely zope.tal and zope.fssync. In both, the dependency specification in install_requires looks innocent: zope.tal: 'setuptools', 'zope.i18nmessageid', 'zope.i18n', 'zope.interface', zope.fssync:

[Zope3-dev] Re: Blob backward compatibility

2007-05-22 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Jim Fulton wrote: I'm finally looking closely at Blobs and making a few changes. Some of these are backward incompatible. Most are inconsequential. Since Blobs are still considered experimental, I feel fairly free to do this, but I don't want to create undue pain for people. I will

[Zope3-dev] Re: System python for *development*? (Was: 3.3.0 tag broken by zc.catalog eggs?)

2007-05-22 Thread Martijn Faassen
Marius Gedminas wrote: [snip the problems with system pythons] seem to be minor inconveniences rather than show-stoppers to me. I'd love to hear real horror stories. Not sure whether this counts as a horror story, but... Recently I upgraded my desktop to Ubuntu Feisty. So I was running this

[Zope3-dev] EuroPython talk submission deadline tomorrow!

2007-05-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, Tomorrow (friday may 18) is the EuroPython talk submission deadline! So if you are thinking about giving a talk at EuroPython, please submit it soon! http://www.europython.org/ Regards, Martijn ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org

[Zope3-dev] Re: what dependency to use for zope 3

2007-05-14 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris Withers wrote: Fred Drake wrote: [snip] The value of the big release is more for people who are new to Zope 3, and want to take a look. That's not an audience I'm good at judging, either in terms of guessing what they really want, or in what makes them take that first look. Indeed,

[Zope3-dev] europython

2007-05-08 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, I thought I should mention here that the EuroPython talk deadline is fast approaching - the proposal deadline is friday may 18. I would like to see a strong Zope presence at EuroPython, so please submit your Zope related talks! Note that you won't be alone. If our talks are

[Zope3-dev] Re: tracking satellite project's trunks

2007-05-07 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: On May 4, 2007, at 6:25 AM, Baiju M wrote: ... We will be using same Zope 3 resources for bug tracking, mailing list and wiki for these satellite project's, is it ? Thanks a very good question. I don't think we need more mailing lists. In fact, I think zope3-dev and

[Zope3-dev] Re: tracking satellite project's trunks

2007-05-07 Thread Martijn Faassen
Benji York wrote: Christian Theune wrote: Same here. I'm feeling like I'm not yet understanding what the trunk will be used like. I'm wondering if we need to maintain a Zope 3 project with any code in it at all (or nearly so). Could Zope 3 just be a buildout with a configuration that

[Zope3-dev] Re: yagni on overrides?

2007-04-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Leonardo Rochael wrote: [snip] So, perhaps, we don't need powerful zcml overrides, just cooperative package maintainers (of which we have plenty in this community). Interesting to see some of my ideas for Grok make it back here. :) After your mail I realize now that with ZCML you can do

[Zope3-dev] Re: yagni on overrides?

2007-04-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tres Seaver wrote: [snip] One example of such an implementation would be an optional, lxml-based directive which uses the native structure of the ZCML file and XPath. E.g. to include only adapters from a package :: select package=my.package file=configure.zcml path//adapter//path /select

[Zope3-dev] Re: yagni on overrides?

2007-04-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: [snip] One example of such an implementation would be an optional, lxml-based directive which uses the native structure of the ZCML file and XPath. E.g. to include only adapters from

[Zope3-dev] Re: Grok sprint 2 reports

2007-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Max M wrote: Martin Aspeli skrev: If you're talking about ArchGenXML, which generates AT code from UML, it's not too bad. The code it generates is pretty clean, and if you decide to abandon code generation, there's a minimum of cruft (mostly a few comment blocks) that you can remove if you

[Zope3-dev] Re: Autoconfiguring a site.zcml

2007-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: ... It'd be a lot easier. You'd still have to list it for all eggs that you depend on directly. It would be nice if this could be automated as well, as being in two places to add a single dependency is more work than being

[Zope3-dev] Re: z3c.widget(.tiny) widget available to easy_install anywhere?

2007-04-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Anyone, can I conclude that z3c.widget is not available anywhere? Who would like to upload a version? Can I help? Where shall we upload it? Regards, Martijn ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

[Zope3-dev] Re: a bug in the Zope 3 (and 2) page template engine

2007-04-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Fred Drake wrote: On 4/20/07, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the current expectation is that it works, whatever the replacement is. This currently works in Zope 2.8: You'll need to explain how silently dropping the tal:attributes on the floor was ever it works. Sorry about

[Zope3-dev] Re: a bug in the Zope 3 (and 2) page template engine

2007-04-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Fred Drake wrote: On 4/20/07, kit BLAKE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But those attributes *do* work. If you call that image without the attributes, it won't have a title attribute. If you keep the tag as it is, it will have a title attribute. This is some pretty freaky behavior for page

[Zope3-dev] Re: a bug in the Zope 3 (and 2) page template engine

2007-04-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
kit BLAKE wrote: 2007/4/19, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi there, I just tracked down what I believe is a bug in the Zope 3 page template engine. I didn't know it was a bug in the Zope 3 page template engine as I was tracking down a bug in Silva with Zope 2.10, which of course uses

[Zope3-dev] a bug in the Zope 3 (and 2) page template engine

2007-04-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, I just tracked down what I believe is a bug in the Zope 3 page template engine. I didn't know it was a bug in the Zope 3 page template engine as I was tracking down a bug in Silva with Zope 2.10, which of course uses the Zope 3 page template engine. For the proposed solution, see

[Zope3-dev] Re: zc.twisted egg on download.zope.org

2007-04-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Recently, I've been working on a project that uses twisted. I created a distribution of twisted that installs with easy_install and buildout. The project name is zc.twisted and the distribution can be found at:

[Zope3-dev] Re: revisiting IResult (for in-Zope pipelining)

2007-04-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Gary Poster wrote: The work that Jim Washington and David Pratt have started recently to make lxml an XHTML generator/ZPT replacement [#1]_ has really excited me. It would be *great* with in-Zope pipelines [#2]_. A general +1() for this whole effort! I have been having some thoughts

[Zope3-dev] Re: IKeyReference for files

2007-03-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Christian Theune wrote: [snip] Right. I'm not sure whether I missed anything, but I don't quite have your whole use case on my radar. The use case is basically that people can use Zope 3 off-line, working on an SVN checkout. They then commit (through a UI) their changes, and resync with the

[Zope3-dev] Re: IKeyReference for files

2007-03-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey Christian, Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 28.03.2007, 01:12 +0200 schrieb Martijn Faassen: [snip] Quick shot on integrating the suggestion from Uwe: - Reserve an OID from the ZODB storage, maybe create a 'shadow' object in the ZODB. - Use a directory that maintains a hard

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Community opinion about search+filter

2007-03-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey Jim, On 3/27/07, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] After that I thought we were actually going somewhere with this discussion, but you now strengthen this impression by apparently giving up in exasparation. That is what is making *me* slightly exasparated. :) Fine. I gave up

[Zope3-dev] Re: IKeyReference for files

2007-03-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Uwe Oestermeier wrote: Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreibt: Now I'm hoping I'm missing some kind of strategy and perhaps someone will have a luminous idea to make this work without the creation of a separate index. Or if not, at least I can give up

[Zope3-dev] z3c.sqlalchemy questions

2007-03-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, I saw Andreas Jung checked in z3c.sqlalchemy. Cool! Some questions though: * how is this different from zalchemy? * I see it uses ZopeTestCase, while it appears to be pure Zope 3 code otherwise, at least at first sight (and because of the package name). Why is this done? * The

[Zope3-dev] Re: Community opinion about search+filter

2007-03-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hello, Adam Groszer wrote: I'd like to ask your opinion, your experiences about searching and filtering in quite large object DBs. We need to add search and filter functions to our current app, where the user might be able to create quite _sophisticated_ filter criterias. (The app is a pure Z3

[Zope3-dev] Re: Do *not* upload binary eggs or distributions, except Windows, to download.zope.org or pypi.

2007-03-13 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Platform dependent distributions are *not* portable. They can depend on system settings, such as Python Unicode size and library locations. This can cause major annoyance and breakage when people automatically download these with easy_install or zc.buildout. Yeah, the

[Zope3-dev] Re: interview for my diploma thesis about Zope 3 in education

2007-02-13 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Dominique Lederer wrote: a week ago i posted this ( http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-users/2007-January/005348.html) at the Zope3-users mailinglist, but got nearly no response. Maybe here i get more attention :) I will post my questions again, if you could spare some time, please try

[Zope3-dev] Re: View permissions

2007-01-31 Thread Martijn Faassen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Marius Gedminas wrote: and which causes registration as an adapter without the need for ZCML. I am not sure I like that. When does the registration take effect? On module import? No, that would be quite terrible. It would mean you could never import

[Zope3-dev] Re: View permissions

2007-01-30 Thread Martijn Faassen
Marius Gedminas wrote: [snip] Also, I'd like a way to specify the adapter name in the adapter class. Something like from zope.interface import implements from zope.component import adapts, named class MyNamedAdapter(object): adapts(IFoo) implements(IBar)

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: I am replying to the three proposals. First I have to kick the proposal of Tres (UTF-8 storage). We want unicode as internal representation for any kind of ZPT (both text/html and text/xml). I'm not sure I understand this. Wouldn't the internal representation be unicode

[Zope3-dev] Re: wildcard adapter

2007-01-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Marius Gedminas wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 08:55:17AM +, Chris Withers wrote: Marius Gedminas wrote: BTW passing interfaces to provideAdapter/adapts is out of fashion. This stuff is getting almost perl-ish in it's there's many ways to do it, pick the style you like nature.. There's

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tres Seaver wrote: [snip] Unicode XML is not only problematic for streaming. For instance, you *can't* pass a Unicode string to the libxml2 *at all* , unless you want a core dump. The API requires that you pass it strings encoded as UTF8. You can in lxml. :) libxml2 as a C API doesn't even

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 15. Januar 2007 22:15:46 +0100 Martijn Faassen [snip] I still don't see what should ambiguous with this approach. Ambiguous in that the string seems to say it's in two encodings at once. You're then guessing: you're letting the Python string type trump

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Dieter Maurer wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote at 2007-1-15 15:44 +0100: Hey, On 1/15/07, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] ok, got it. But this problem can be solved easily by changing the encoding within the preamble. I would say refusing to guess and bailing out with an error

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tres Seaver wrote: [snip] The just store the XML scenario is in surprisingly nice. It only needs attention to encoding and decoding in the always complicated ZPublisher direct output scenario, and in the edit form scenario. As you speculated, this is actually my preference, except that I

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] [Bernd Dorn] IMHO it should only accept strings, because in the value should be a xml string and therefore always has to be encoded in 'utf-8' or in the encoding specified in the processing instruction. I disagree with that. Since Zope 3 is supposed to use unicode

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [snip] A workaround inside parseString() would to check for unicode and convert the string on-the-fly to a Python string with utf-8 encoding. This is possibly a limitation of the underlying Expat parser...any recommendation how to deal with this issue? Fixed

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Gmane isn't updating so I can't really reply to the message (not visible in gmane) that I want to, but I saw the following solution proposed: def ourparse(text): if isinstance(text, unicode): text = text.encode('UTF-8') xml_parser.parse(text) now consider what will happen if

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On 1/15/07, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] ok, got it. But this problem can be solved easily by changing the encoding within the preamble. I would say refusing to guess and bailing out with an error message is better in this case. The Zen of Python: In the face of

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris Withers wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: u'?xml version=1.0 encoding=something-else?node /' What should be done then? Not sure. We could ignore it or raise an error. I'm inclined to ignore it. That's what I do too... See my post elsewhere in the thread for an example of why

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: --On 14. Januar 2007 18:14:45 + Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dieter Maurer wrote: A halfway intelligent parser would accept Unicode when it gets it and concentrate on the remaining part of

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope.tal.xmlparser.XMLParser() dislikes unicode

2007-01-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 15. Januar 2007 15:44:01 +0100 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/15/07, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] ok, got it. But this problem can be solved easily by changing the encoding within the preamble. I would say refusing to guess and bailing

[Zope3-dev] Re: Grok sprint 2 reports

2007-01-10 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: Peter Bengtsson wrote: Philipp has posted a blog entry with a good example of Grok code: http://www.z3lab.org/sections/blogs/philipp-weitershausen/2007_01_09_you-thought-zope-3-wasn Gorgeous! I especially like that you don't have to manually define the template since

[Zope3-dev] Re: Grok sprint 2 reports

2007-01-10 Thread Martijn Faassen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: - Don't invent a new code generator. Please. :) PasteScript does quite well, and seems to be adopted by others, e.g. Pylons. We already use it to make new egg-like packages for Plone. Agreed. We're looking into PasteScript, I believe

[Zope3-dev] Grok sprint 2 reports

2007-01-09 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, We had a Grok sprint in Germany over the weekend, and we got two reports about it: Jan-Wijbrand's report: http://jw.n--tree.net/blog/dev/python/second-grok-sprint And mine: http://faassen.n--tree.net/blog/view/weblog/2007/01/09/0 Regards, Martijn

[Zope3-dev] Re: Grok sprint 2 reports

2007-01-09 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: We had a Grok sprint in Germany over the weekend, and we got two reports about it: Rock on :) What is the current state of the art in terms of Grok examples and documentation? What is the best place to look to find out about the latest

[Zope3-dev] Re: Grok sprint 2 reports

2007-01-09 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, We had a Grok sprint in Germany over the weekend, and we got two reports about it: Rock on :) What is the current state of the art in terms of Grok examples and documentation? What is the best place to look to find out about

[Zope3-dev] Re: Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] Just splitting stuff up into little flexible pieces won't attract people. If our goal is to attract Zope 3 developers we need to make it easy to get started. We can also say that Zope 3 is componentized and flexible and all

[Zope3-dev] Re: Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'll make some small comments below, but I want to make a big comment to start. Zope 2 and Plone are both examples of extensible applications. In my note, I was trying to make the point that I think such applications have value. I'd like to see them

[Zope3-dev] Re: Some ZPT insights needed

2007-01-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, because Zope 2.10.2+ will use unicode as internal representation for page templates I am currently checking the options to get rid of UnicodeDecodeErrors for Zope 2.11 by providing some more intelligent conversion of non-unicode content. Basically I want if the content

[Zope3-dev] Re: Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-04 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: [snip] The current Zope 3 distribution also contains an application that resembles Zope 2 in many ways. There is an object tree and a Zope Management Interface. At least up to now, when you install a Zope 3 distribution, you get an application that you can run out of the

[Zope3-dev] Re: Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-04 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: [snip] I think your thoughts resonate quite well with my own observations and/or confusion. I would, however, caution against becoming over-zealous in breaking things up. Zope 2, CMF and Plone are successful in large part because people get started quickly. If it takes

[Zope3-dev] Re: Anyone using zc.recipe.zope3instance on windows?

2007-01-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey JW, Jan-Wijbrand Kolman wrote: I'm spending some time on making zc.recipe.zope3instance run properly on Windows. There're at least two issues to sort out: 1) Usually(?) Zope-3 is installed using the *.msi installer on Windows. The recipe should look in the Scripts sub directory of the

[Zope3-dev] Re: using zope.testing without zope

2006-12-22 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris Withers wrote: Does anyone have any experience of using zope.testing outside of Zope? Yes, I do. It's really easy with buildout, actually. I use zope.testing.doctest for the Twiddler tests and I'd like to use zope.testing.testrunner for running the tests in a plain python environment.

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Martijn Subject: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07] By the way, I'm quite interested in seeing whether we can integrate Genshi into Zope 3 and Grok as a templating language. It has some interesting ways to do things, and there's quite a bit of momentum behind it.

[Zope3-dev] Re: Update on proposals for Zope 3.4

2006-12-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I've updated the spring cleaning proposal with the suggestions (and additional votes from people posting in this thread). I think it's a good idea to let anything that has any vote *against* removing from the core stay in the core for now (unless someone goes

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Washington wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also created Trac, and it seems to be getting traction. TurboGears among others is going

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Rocky Burt wrote: On Wed, 2006-20-12 at 12:52 +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also created Trac, and it seems to be getting traction

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 06:16, Roger Ineichen wrote: Here is a list of candidates for removal (please verify!): zope.dependencytool -1, it is used by people to find dependencies in their packages. It is not referenced anywhere in the code, because it is a

[Zope3-dev] Re: Need to get more involved in Web SIG (was Re: Fixing ZServer bugs?)

2006-12-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Jim Fulton wrote: [snip] I'm not certain that we're actively supporting either server. But *in practice* we're supporting the Twisted integration, as that's the only one that people use now, right? We may not be actually capable or willing to offer such support, but since everybody

[Zope3-dev] Re: Need to get more involved in Web SIG (was Re: Fixing ZServer bugs?)

2006-12-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: [snip] I find it impossible to believe that others don't have such mission-critical requirements. Maybe they hand off the hard bits too Apache? Excellent suggestion, Chris, thank you! Some of them do, I'm sure. Could we? Sure,

[Zope3-dev] Re: Need to get more involved in Web SIG (was Re: Fixing ZServer bugs?)

2006-12-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: [snip] I'm not certain that we're actively supporting either server. But *in practice* we're supporting the Twisted integration, as that's the only one that people use now, right? Wrong. Use != support. [snip] Such a flat out

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Stephan Richter wrote: [snip] Overall, I think the first step would be to agree on a common set of UI patterns. From what you say below I don't think we'll be able to do that very soon. :) I think we should agree to disagree for now and just see whoever gets to an admin UI first (or best).

[Zope3-dev] Re: Need to get more involved in Web SIG (was Re: Fixing ZServer bugs?)

2006-12-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip zope.interface missing] Hm, so it was checked by setup. Dang. Well, we could hack around this in various ways, but it wouldn't be fun. Yes, it appears it was checked by setup.py. In my experience the diversity of special setup.py's out

[Zope3-dev] Re: zc.recipe.testrunner - Support additional eggs

2006-12-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tres Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Shouldn't the dependency information in the eggs-to-test be sufficient for that? That's what I was going to say. The egg should normally just list its own dependencies in setup.py and buildout will handle this just fine. Regards, Martijn

[Zope3-dev] Re: wading through zcml...

2006-12-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: class TemplateView(grok.View): template = unassociated module_info = module_info_ I'm not sure. Debugging becomes a nightmare with generated classes, which is how I ran into these problems

[Zope3-dev] Re: Grok, CherryPy, WSGI and Zope 3

2006-12-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
whit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] cool! awesome to see integration efforts like this! is there any difference using cherrypy's wsgi server vs. say paste.httpserver? Probably not except of course in the performance characteristics of the various servers. I still am

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope3 instance with no zodb

2006-12-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 4:30 AM, Chris Withers wrote: I remember Shane asking this a while ago and seem to remember the answer was no, but I'm hoping that's changed. Is it possible to have a Zope 3 instance that has no zodb backing at all? Yes, of

[Zope3-dev] Re: wading through zcml...

2006-12-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Chris] That said, I can live with most of the crap, but these dynamically generated classes... wtf? why? why did that? why are they still breathing?! *sigh* I don't know who came up with the idea, and I don't really care as I don't want

[Zope3-dev] Grok, CherryPy, WSGI and Zope 3

2006-11-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, I've recently written a few blog entries that may be of interest here too. First an introduction about the Grok project: http://faassen.n--tree.net/blog/view/weblog/2006/11/09/0 Next, what I wrote tonight, which is about my experiments with Grok, Zope 3, WSGI and CherryPy:

Re: [Zope3-dev] adaptation based on class rather than interface

2006-11-14 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Oh, I disagree. It's much nicer to be able to be able to start with adapting classes, and introduce interfaces later, where necessary. Often they're not. In fact it's already possible to adapt classes and register views for classes. In ZCML I

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3.3.1 release

2006-11-14 Thread Martijn Faassen
Christian Theune wrote: Hi, Martijn Faassen wrote: originally we intended to do a Zope 3.3.1 release in November to get virtually bug free. I didn't see any momentum on this. How about a bug day? I'm supposed to be the release manager for this too. I was hoping someone else would volunteer

Re: [Zope3-dev] adaptation based on class rather than interface

2006-11-09 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: Chris Withers wrote: I find myself often having to define pure marker interfaces for each class that I define, purely so I can register adapters for objects of that class. Why does your class not have a (non-marker) interface in the first place? The use of interfaces as

Re: [Zope3-dev] adaptation based on class rather than interface

2006-11-09 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: adapter for=.myclasses.MyClass provides=.interfaces.ISomething factory=.adapters.MyAdapter / I think it is a fine idea. That's why it has been supported for a long time. You can register adapters and views (which, of course are

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3.3.1 release

2006-11-09 Thread Martijn Faassen
Christian Theune wrote: originally we intended to do a Zope 3.3.1 release in November to get virtually bug free. I didn't see any momentum on this. How about a bug day? I'm supposed to be the release manager for this too. I was hoping someone else would volunteer but of course I already

Re: [Zope3-dev] PyCon 2007 web frameworks panel

2006-11-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Paul Winkler wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 07:54:41PM +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: I'm happy to see you do this. I can't make it to that PyCon, unfortunately. As to representing other people's opinion: Talk about Grok. Better yet, show Grok code. By that time, we should be quite a way

Re: [Zope3-dev] PyCon 2007 web frameworks panel

2006-10-31 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Benji York wrote: Titus Brown is putting together a web framework panel for the next PyCon: http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/WebFrameworksPanel. I just stuck my name on this. :) If someone else wants badly to do this, I'm willing to yield. In any case, I'd like to represent some

Re: Use launchpad ! (was Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs)

2006-10-05 Thread Martijn Faassen
Carlos de la Guardia wrote: On 9/29/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input. I wonder if anyone wants to volunteer to spearhead a track prototype for zope.org? One of the things I like about Launchpad is that I don't have to do any work. If someone is willing to step

Re: [Zope3-dev] help, Z3.2.2 build fails on win32 with ZConfig

2006-10-05 Thread Martijn Faassen
Adam Groszer wrote: Hello, I built Z3.2.2 on win32, but after installing the result and creating an instance it fails. I don't have a clou where and what to look for. C:\zopeinstbin\runzope Error: 'formatter' is not a known key name (line 103 in file:/C|/zopeinst/etc/zope.conf) For help,

Re: Use launchpad ! (was Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs)

2006-10-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Thanks for the input. I wonder if anyone wants to volunteer to spearhead a track prototype for zope.org? One of the things I like about Launchpad is that I don't have to do any work. If someone is willing to step forward and commit to a Trac implementation, I'm happy to try

Re: Use launchpad ! (was Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs)

2006-10-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Carlos de la Guardia wrote: On 9/29/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input. I wonder if anyone wants to volunteer to spearhead a track prototype for zope.org? One of the things I like about Launchpad is that I don't have to do any work. If someone is willing to step

Re: [ZF] Re: Use launchpad ! (was Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs)

2006-10-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 09:38:21AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | | Here are some quick Trac questions. My impression is that track projects | need to be set up as separate applications and that separate projects | can't be set up through the web. Is this right? All of

Re: [ZF] Re: Use launchpad ! (was Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs)

2006-10-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 09:38:21AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | | Here are some quick Trac questions. My impression is that track projects | need to be set up as separate applications and that separate projects | can't be set up through the web

Re: [ZF] Re: Use launchpad ! (was Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs)

2006-10-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Marius Gedminas wrote: On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 09:52:34AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: Thanks for the input. I wonder if anyone wants to volunteer to spearhead a track prototype for zope.org? One of the things I like about Launchpad is that I don't have to do any work. If someone is willing to

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Python version for Zope 3.4 ?

2006-09-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Dieter Maurer wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-9-28 11:22 +0200: ... The last time this was discussed with Jim, the idea was to try to use Zope 3's security proxy approach in Zope 2 for Python Script security - Jim and I had some ideas I need to dredge up from the back of my

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Python version for Zope 3.4 ?

2006-09-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jeff Shell wrote: On 9/28/06, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Theune wrote: Morning, Baiju M wrote: Hi, What is the target Python version for Zope 3.4, is it Python 2.5? Right now it's still Python 2.4, as Zope 3.4 is scheduled for next year, we should

Re: [Zope3-dev] Python version for Zope 3.4 ?

2006-09-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jeff Shell wrote: On 9/28/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Baiju M wrote: Hi, What is the target Python version for Zope 3.4, is it Python 2.5? That's a good question. I fear it will take a fair bit of work to get to it and, frankly for me there are higher

Re: [Zope3-dev] Python version for Zope 3.4 ?

2006-09-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Baiju M wrote: On 9/29/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's going to be a significant investment of work to make sure everything works with Python 2.5. Either someone credible steps up, convinces us, and does the work, and we all move over to Python 2.5. If they don't, we do

Re: [Zope3-dev] Python version for Zope 3.4 ?

2006-09-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Baiju M wrote: On 9/29/06, Baiju M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's going to be a significant investment of work to make sure everything works with Python 2.5. Either someone credible steps up, convinces us, and does the work, and we all

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Python version for Zope 3.4 ?

2006-09-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Benji York wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Again, I'll repeat that I think we should *not* trying to support two Python versions at the same time. Whether something works on a later version of Python is beside the point; it's about whether we officially make sure. I do not believe we currently

Re: [Zope3-dev] Python version for Zope 3.4 ?

2006-09-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Baiju M wrote: Hi, What is the target Python version for Zope 3.4, is it Python 2.5? That's a good question. I fear it will take a fair bit of work to get to it and, frankly for me there are higher priorities. I think we'd be okay in not supporting Python 2.5 yet for

Re: Use launchpad ! (was Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs)

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Baiju M wrote: On 9/22/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Finally, I'm experimenting with using launchpad for bugs: https://launchpad.net/products/zc.buildout/+bugs and feature requests: https://features.launchpad.net/products/zc.buildout/ So far this is working OK. I

Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 22 September 2006 12:52, Martijn Faassen wrote: I hope we can move to a pattern where projects gain a homepage somewhere on zope.org, including doctests and some other information, and the cheeseshop is used

Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 22, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: While I'm happy with the way this works now as it's agile, I am also hoping that eventually we can move away from the cheeseshop as the prime documentation site of a project; it's not ideally suited for that. It's

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