Yes I have. And these are essential elements of security in general, not just computer security. For example, having a shreader to destroy classified documents to prevent dumpster diving is not ***essentially*** tied to a computer systems! (People did it in the old days by throwing their documents into a fire.) GO IT?! Social problems are not technical computer security problems. And it was the technical stuff that was in question on this post: someone doesn't ask about which computer languages to learn, intrusion detection, network scanning and firewall because they want to socially engineer the help desk.
Re-read this this quote: "What would be the best way for someone to go about laying a solid foundation of knowledge in the Internet/network security field - (specifically areas like intrusion detection, scanning, firewalls, forensics, incident response and "The Honeynet Project" like topics.) For example, if you had the ability to go back and learn it again (do it all over again), how would you go about it? How would you do it differently? In what order would you have studied the different subjects/technologies? Does learning one subject/topic hinge on the ability to learn another? If so, what would you learn/study first? Programming languages? Which ones? In what order? What did you do to attain the knowledge you have? Would you have done it differently? If so, how and why? " Do you know how many times I found really good information just by standing at the printer? I am not nieve. What makes the job difficult is that people to not WANT to get technical when they could do it the easy way: read, script kiddies! > Opinion: It is people with views like that which make the job so hard. > :-( I think it is people like you who should learn to read before flaming.:) 'ken' Meritt James wrote: > Boy, are YOU living in a fool's paradise! Ever heard of dumpsite > diving, shoulder surfing, social engineering,....... > > Opinion: It is people with views like that which make the job so hard. > :-( > > "'ken'@FTU" wrote: > >>I believe the most important aspect to security is programming. If it >>weren't for software, most security problems would not exist! >> > > [snip] > > >
