Hi,
Thanks for your questions about brainpool. See below for more details.
On 11/14/22 3:36 AM, benjamin.marw...@f-i.de wrote:
Hello everyone!
To our surprise, brainpool EC have been deprecated with Java 14+ [1].
However, JDK-8234924 [1] does not add any information on WHY they would have
been deprecated.
In fact, neither NIST (USA) nor BSI (Germany) list them as deprecated.
On the contrary, both institutions list them as an acceptable cipher.
As a matter of fact, the deprecation notice seem to have originated by bad
wording.
Please read this quote from Manfred Lochter, how works at the BSI:
The unfortunate wording about the brainpool curves originated in TLS 1.3,
however RFC 8734 makes the curves usable for TLS again.
We will continue to recommend the Brainpool curves.
It should also be noted that the arguments for the "modern formulas" have all
been refuted by now.
Especially the implementation of Curve 25519 requires more effort to protect
against SCA;
the deterministic signatures are vulnerable to fault injection.
In the medium term, however, the switch to post-quantum cryptography is
necessary;
there are comprehensive recommendations on this at [2]
Now, european banking and health industry still do rely heavily on brainpool
curves.
Given all these facts, I hereby request to undo the depracation of brainpool EC
in OpenJDK.
Please let me know what lead to the assumption that brainpool ciphers were
deprecated.
Neither NIST nor BSI seems to be the source. Given all the facts, it should
still be included.
The word "deprecated" may have been the wrong word to use when referring
to the brainpool curves, although I will note that the IANA registry
still lists them as not recommended for TLS [1].
We don't have any issues with the brainpool curves as we do for
some of the other legacy curves. But, these curves were implemented in
native C code and we changed the structure of the JDK EC implementation
such that all curves that were implemented in C were removed. The
remaining curves that we do support are implemented in Java and use
modern techniques and complete formulas.
It has not been a priority for us to re-implement brainpool. And with
recently added support for EdDSA and the future with PQC, it's not
likely we will circle back to them.
We are ok with a contribution, but they would need to be done using
the current design structure and using complete formulas.
--Sean
[1] https://www.iana.org/assignments/tls-parameters/tls-parameters.xhtml
References:
[1]: https://bugs.openjdk.org/browse/JDK-8234924
[2]:
https://www.bsi.bund.de/EN/Themen/Unternehmen-und-Organisationen/Informationen-und-Empfehlungen/Quantentechnologien-und-Post-Quanten-Kryptografie/quantentechnologien-und-post-quanten-kryptografie_node.html
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Benjamin Marwell
