Was this new definition described at the SCCM congress?  If so, will it be on 
the website or the rest of us have to wait until October?

Stop Sepsis!  Save Lives!

Thanks,

Brenna Dill, RN, CNSC
Sepsis Coordinator TMC
Office: 843-847-4587
Pager: 843-570-1526
Cell: 843-729-9915


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From: Sepsisgroups [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Barnes-Daly, Mary Ann
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] SIRS/Sepsis Criteria and Coding

At the SCCM congress on Monday it was revealed that new criteria for the 
screening and dx of sepsis were to be released in October. The somewhat 
arbitrary use of SIRS criteria will be replaced with indicators that have been 
identified by a retrospective analysis of large databases - "the new 3". Stay 
tuned.

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-----Original Message-----
From: William Haik [[email protected]]
Received: Wednesday, 21 Jan 2015, 1:10AM
To: Malik,Imrana [[email protected]]
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Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] SIRS/Sepsis Criteria and Coding

There is no literature that I am aware of that parses the sirs criteria however 
what you say does make sense and is what I actually do in defining sepsis

William E. Haik, M.D., F.C.C.P., C.D.I.P.
AHIMA Approved ICD-10-CM/PCS Trainer
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On Jan 17, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Malik,Imrana 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


SIRS criteria is only met if 2 out of the 4 are positive, of which one MUST be 
a derangement in Temp or WBC. So tachycardia with tachypnea alone should not be 
considered positive. Hope that helps.



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 on behalf of Orth, Claudia [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 2:00 PM
To: 
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Subject: [Sepsis Groups] SIRS/Sepsis Criteria and Coding

I am writing to inquire how other institutions are handling or if you are even 
encountering concerns, that we are “over-calling”  early sepsis, especially 
when the only SIRS criteria are tachycardia and tachypnea (sometimes only a 
single set of VS). We are reviewing all short stay (Observation, 1-2 day stays) 
and see “septic” patients who are “in no acute distress”, are only here in 
Observation status and never Inpatient, or stay as IP only 1-2 days, are not 
sent home on any antibiotics or only a short course of oral antibiotics.

Often their only SIRS criteria are tachycardia and tachypnea—which are quite 
non-specific markers that can be seen with anxiety, pain, etc. but when paired 
with a suspected or documented infection role up to Sepsis?!

Since Sepsis is a high-paying condition it’s also a high audit DRG (mainly 
because, in the past, many patients were in ICU, very ill, and expending lots 
of resources). Now that “early sepsis” is being diagnosed quite frequently, 
external auditors are reviewing sepsis DRG charts, and disagree that  sepsis 
was present at all, recode the chart, reassign the DRG and reduce payment to 
UTI, pneumonia, etc.  This is so frustrating as we are trying to educated our 
providers and nurses on the importance of having a high suspicion for sepsis 
and early recognition and now are turning around and saying don’t say ‘Sepsis’ 
unless they are “sick” because we need to be able to defend it!? ☹

Any feedback, thoughts, or tools on how other institutions are handling this, 
would be greatly appreciated especially when it comes to the SIRS criteria 
which most of our clinicians call “soft criteria”?

Thank you in advance for your time and expertise!
Claudia
Claudia Orth BSN, RN, CCRN-K
Regional Sepsis Coordinator
Munson Medical Center
(231) 935-5692 (Voice)
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

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