Interesting regarding the vital signs review as I recently sent the question to 
QNET around vital signs review, see the discussion thread response below


Subject
Vital signs review performed /septic shock


 Customer By Web Form (Patricia Humiston)       08/16/2016 08:05 AM
When abstracting the element of vital signs for the focused exam, the specs 
identify choose value #1 (Yes) Vital signs review was documented by a 
physician/APN/PA in the time window beginning at the crystalloid fluid 
administration date and time and ending six hours after the presentation of 
septic shock date and time.
But under Exclusion Guidelines for Abstraction:
• Vitals signs reviewed
The terminology vital signs reviewed is exclusion terminology, I find this a 
bit confusing if MD documents vital signs reviewed one part of spec's 
identifies it is acceptable and an additional part it is not. Is there any 
additional clarity around this element?

 Discussion Thread
 Response Via Email (Char Teed) 08/16/2016 01:56 PM
Second bullet: Vital signs review is done to assess overall status. The review 
must include temperature, pulse (also referred to as heart rate), respirations, 
and systolic and diastolic blood pressure reading.  They cannot just say 
"vitals signs reviewed" need readings.


Patricia Humiston, MBA RN-C
Division of Healthcare Quality
Baystate Health Systems
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From: Sepsisgroups [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Townsend, Sean, M.D.
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:54 AM
To: Marlett Amy; Clement, Joseph (DPH)
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] [External] RE: Re: SEP-1 Specification Manual for 
January 2017 Discharges

One more thing --



I was also unclear below as regards the cardiopulmonary exam.  From today until 
Jan 1 an LIP still has to perform the cardiopulmonary exam.  However after that 
time  to satisfy the concept of a reperfusion assessment for a shock patient, 
an MD/NP/PA may then document simply that they “attest to having reviewed or 
performed a sepsis focused exam and findings were ____.”  The findings can 
include “within normal limits.”   The provider DOES NOT need to state, nor 
include, nor specifically reference the terms vital signs, cardiopulmonary 
exam, capillary refill, peripheral pulses, or skin exam.  This simple statement 
of reassessment satisfies the intent that the patient was closely observed.  
Note as well the LIP can attest to a nurse’s review of the same.



Hope that's more clear.



Sean



On Aug 25, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Townsend, Sean, M.D. 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:





Amy, you were correct.  I mean to say “blood culture” acceptable delay and too 
quickly typed “antibiotic” acceptable delay.







To summarize:







To further ensure that blood culture collection does not delay appropriate 
care, the next specification update, Version 5.2, has a new data element 
entitled Blood Culture Collection Acceptable Delay which allows for a case to 
pass the measure if a clinician indicates that “the IV antibiotic was started 
before the blood culture was drawn because waiting for the blood culture to be 
drawn would have resulted in a delay of 45 minutes or more in starting the IV 
antibiotic.” SEP-1 Version 5.2 was published July 1st, 2016, and will cover 
discharges from January 1st, 2017 through December 31st, 2017.











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From: Marlett Amy [mailto:[email protected]]

Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:21 PM

To: Townsend, Sean, M.D.; Clement, Joseph (DPH)

Cc: 
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Subject: [External] RE: Re: [Sepsis Groups] SEP-1 Specification Manual for 
January 2017 Discharges







I am looking at the following below from Dr. Townsend " As regards antibiotic 
acceptable delay the provider has to state a delay of 45 minutes or longer 
would have transpired."



My question is- was this this answer to J. Clement comment below " I see that a 
new element was added "Blood Culture Collection Acceptable Delay" - but I'm not 
clear from the manual what constitutes an acceptable delay.  Am I missing 
something?  Can anybody clarify?"







If so, I do not understand the reply. I only see a change to the BC part of the 
measure, not Abx. So why I do not understand. If there is another question in 
these emails regarding Abx, then I missed it. Thank you for clarifying and for 
this workgroup. I have never sent in a question before, but I find most of the 
posts very useful and know that eventually someone will ask my questions.







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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 5:53 PM



To: Clement, Joseph (DPH) 
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Sepsis Groups] SEP-1 Specification Manual for January 
2017 Discharges







You are correct in your reading.  The LIP can now attest to the reperfusion 
assessment without giving greater detail.  What is more, nursing documentation 
and a nursing exam can be the basis of that attestation.  The only requirement 
is that the one exam item LIP has to do as part of that attestation is a 
cardiopulmonary exam.







This is huge. I hope you appreciate the change.  Our goal wasn't to make people 
document but rather to conduct an exam and satisfy themselves that the patient 
was perfusing adequately.







As regards antibiotic acceptable delay the provider has to state a delay of 45 
minutes or longer would have transpired.







There are other goodies in version 5.2.















On Aug 24, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Clement, Joseph (DPH) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>>>
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Hello,











I'm reviewing the updated specification manual 5.2 for SEP-1, that will go into 
effect 1/1/17, and I have a few questions - I wonder if others are further 
along than me.







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[] The manual says that MD attestation of reassessment, VS review, skin 
assessment, cardiopulmonary exam, and peripheral pulse exams are acceptable. It 
also says that "performing, or attesting to performing a physical examination, 
perfusion (re-perfusion) assessment, or sepsis (severe sepsis or septic shock) 
focused exam is acceptable."







At the risk of asking an obvious question, I just want to make sure I am 
getting this right.  If the MD signs something that says "I attest to having 
performed a severe sepsis re-perfusion exam at XX:XX", then this would meet the 
measure requirement?











[] I see that a new element was added "Blood Culture Collection Acceptable 
Delay" - but I'm not clear from the manual what constitutes an acceptable 
delay.  Am I missing something?  Can anybody clarify?











Thanks in advance!











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