Jan,

Of course, no insult taken.  We are dealing with
English here which is not compilable, as we all know. 
It is a matter of communication, and until the
question is clear it is impossible for the answer to
be.

I had answered the question: what is the basic
definition of an SOA?

Another question is: what is the detailed definition
of an SOA?

Of course the answer to the second question is
different than the answer to the first. 

I do not want to answer the second question off the
top of my head, since Greg and I spent a lot of time
working on it for "Understanding SOA with Web
Services":

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321180860/ref=pd_sbs_b_3/103-0001552-4387019?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

Another good book, with even more extensive
definitions of SOA, is "Enterprise SOA":

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131465759/ref=pd_bxgy_text_b/103-0001552-4387019?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Both of these books appear to be doing pretty well on
Amazon.com.  Both of them include information based on
case studies using IONA Technologies' products (I work
for IONA) - among them some of the largest deployed
SOAs in the world.

But I will also try to find some time over the next
few days to type some further details into an email
for this forum, if that would be of help.

Regards,

Eric

--- Jan Algermissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> On Jan 15, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Eric Newcomer wrote:
> 
> > I meant formal in the sense that it is as simple
> and
> > precise a definition as possible.
> 
> Umm...without any attempt to insult you, but this is
> kinda meaningless.
> 
> Honestly, where is that formal definition of SOA
> that enables me to  
> determine whether an architecture is of the SOA
> style or not? What  
> are the formal criteria for this?
> 
> Suppose a client asks: Are we SOA? How do I find out
> if yes or no?
> 
> I think that is what Patrick is asking for.
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
>
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>             
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> enterprise IT'   
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