Daniel, What your write about MS and their SaaS plans fits in with statements I have read. Even so, not everyone will leap unhesitatingly at this reinvention of the computer bureau (can you imagine GCHQ rushing into this, to give an extreme example?), and that means that large organisations now and later are going to demand to know more about what they offer on the SOA front.
As regards Sun, I could not possibly expand upon what you have stated as I have not had anything like the extent of your direct contact with them (Team, Dan is one of the few people on this Group whom I know, although it is a couple of years since we viewed each other's ugly mug). I did once have a drink with the great Scott McNealy and I found him charming and tolerant (he needed to be the latter at that stage of the evening). We did not discuss SOA as this was in 1992. No, before anyone asks, I have not had the honour of meeting Gregg. However it would be very interesting to hear from some Solar members of this Group how Sun's strategy will take advantage of their interesting software assets. gsd --- In [email protected], "creswell_dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On MS's technology fit to SOA: > > The problem with SOA is that everyone and his dog has what they deem > an SOA product. Interestingly, in most cases, the product they offer > is very similar to what they were offering prior to the "rise" of SOA. > > MS's approach seems to be much more in the vein of assumptions that > the SalesForce.com model is one that most people will adopt. I think > they are working at a story there but that's all about external facing > services. I've seen less about internal facing (i.e. behind the > firewall) services. I suspect that MS would say the technology is > suitable for both kinds of service but I sense that their emphasis is > being directed by their expectation of where the big bucks will be made. > > And if MS are being coy as you put it, I think that's because they see > the end game being not ESB or SOA itself but the external service's > market as exhibited by SalesForce.com and so they're trying to leap > over a couple of intermediary steps thus gaining a lead. They'll > backfill to ESB's etc if they need to but they are after a much more > valuable beachhead. > > On Sun and their software: > > I think it's horrifyingly simple - Sun still don't see any value in > software other than as a means for getting you to buy their > hardware/OS. Schwarz has recently been making overtures to HP about > merging stuff with Solaris 10. That could definitely be interpreted > as "HP and Sun are getting commoditized out of the market, we need to > be bigger, let's join forces and customer bases". Smells like > consolidation to me. > > So why are Sun coy? They're not - they're naive/inept - they don't > even know they have software that plays in the area of SOA! Being > specific, there are various engineers who do know that but the sales > side of the organization can't see it, and can't guarentee to sell > boxes with it ignoring the fact that they could sell lots of software > boxes. Note also that all indications I have suggest that most of the > engineers don't get it either - they still inhabit a three-tier or > client-server world and can't/won't grok services and are still > building much of their software to function in that old world. > > Two cents from a techie, > > Dan. > > --- In [email protected], "Gervas > Douglas" <gervas.douglas@> wrote: > > > > We read quite a lot in this Group about Java and other non-MS > > technologies. And this depite Sun not being over-aggressive about > > marketing software, and doing even less for some of its Orphan Java > > technologies (how often do they bother to mention Jini, RIO, Jxta > etc.??). > > > > What we don't read or hear much about is what is going on in the > > Microsoft SOA universe. I know MS do not do much to push the concept > > of SOA, but a lot of SOA implementations take place in .NET > > environments. Most big organisations seem to have a mixture of .NET > > and Java. So what are MS doing about SOA middleware now that every > > platform vendor and his dog is offering an ESB? There is of course > > the spectre of Indigo on the horizon, but it is not readily apparent > > how this is going to fit into the SOA middleware scene. Do any of you > > have any information on this? Come to think of it, why are Sun and > > Microsoft so coy about these key aspects of their technology? > > > > Gervas > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
