Interesting. What are you users' reactions to this
issue?
Gervas
--- In service-orientated-architecture@yahoogroups.com,
"Steve Jones"
<jones.steveg@...> wrote:
>
> And I'm
the other person on there....
>
> From talking to various vendors
around Biz/IT alignment the message is
> always the same
>
> 1) We agree its important
> 2) What does the product look
like
> 3) How will it impact our other products
>
> Until
they actually have a product its very hard for a product
company to
>
admit that something is really important, and until the analysts put a
>
quadrant up they aren't going to worry too much.
>
> NONE of them
currently have a service modelling tool that works at the
> business
layer. Microsoft Motion is about the closest but its not
terribly
>
flexible (IMO).
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 26/06/06,
Gervas Douglas <gervas.douglas@...> wrote:
> >
>
> <<Capgemini continued their campaign for Service
Oriented
Architecture
> > (SOA) to be recognized not as a series
of new technologies but as
a change
> > in the way that businesses
manage and deliver their IT systems at last
> > week's OASIS
symposium.
> >
> > "Capgemini's approach to SOA has always
been about aligning IT to the
> > business," said Andy Mulholland,
Global Chief Technology Officer,
Capgemini.
> > "For SOA to
actually succeed and deliver value to organizations it
must aim
>
> to represent the business view, not the technology view."
>
>
> > Capgemini's Steve Jones, CTO for Application
Development
Transformation,
> > used the OASIS symposium in San
Francisco to outline how SOA is
about being
> > more about helping
business and IT work together than about the
technologies
> >
currently aligned to SOA. Capgemini firmly believe that for SOA
to
succeed
> > it must not be another technology buzzword; instead
it should be about
> > changing the way IT delivers systems by making
those systems
aligned to how
> > the business operates.
>
>
> > "The purpose of our presentation was to underline how IT
organizations
> > need to change to align to how their businesses
operate." said
Jones. "Too
> > many IT organizations are current
organized for their own benefit
rather
> > than truly
understanding how they need to adapt to changing
business needs.
>
> SOA can be an enabler of this change if it is used to
properly
understand
> > how the business operates and the
requirements on IT to deliver this
> > business service
architecture."
> >
> > The presentation outlined the
interoperability chasm that
currently exists
> > in many
organizations between business and IT, with IT focused
on
individual
> > projects and technologies, while the business
looks at the value
of whole
> > functions and strategy. The
business often fears that SOA is yet
another
> > three letter
acronym, with new product procurement and large strategic
> >
projects from IT that rarely deliver the expected, or sometimes any,
>
> business benefit. The presentation detailed how business process
and
service
> > architectures can be brought together to create a single
approach,
rather
> > than having two distinct and competitive
solutions to the same
problem.
> >
> > "Capgemini's
approach to this problem is to view SOA as being
about the S
> >
and the A, Service and Architecture," said Mark Pettit, Head
of
Integration
> > at Capgemini. "A properly established Business
Service
Architecture helps
> > both sides work together to deliver
a common view of both business
and IT.
> > The Services give
context and control to the processes, while the
processes
> >
explain how the services operate and are consumed. Using Capgemini's
>
> Integrated Architecture Framework (IAF) we are able to help
our
clients use
> > SOA not as a new technology solution but as a
way to change both
systems
> > delivery and the IT organization
that under takes it."
> >
> > The presentation further
outlined how Enterprise Architecture enables
> > organizations to
better enable flexibility at the "edge" while
retaining
> >
control in the centre. A critical factor in this is moving away from
>
> monolithic projects towards more flexible Service based programs.
>>
> >
> > You can read this in full at:
> >
http://www.consultant-news.com/article_display.aspx?p=adp&id=2797
>
>
> > [Disclaimer: Mark Pettit is a charming young intellectual
who has
bought
> > me many drinks in the past!]
>
>
> > I like the above extract – as you know I tend to bang on
about the
upper
> > business-centric layers which SOA hopefully
serves so well.
Capgemini of
> > course have a background in
business as well as IT consultancy, as
do the
> > big
consultancies coming out of the big accountancy firms.
> >
>
> The biggest, visibly proactive player in the SOA arena has to be
IBM.
IBM
> > traditionally has tended to sell more to top management as
opposed
to just
> > DP/IT managers – I am going back now to an era
when their
competitors sold
> > to the DP Manager, as did IBM, the
difference being that IBM also
took the
> > Managing Director out
to lunch (proper business lunches in those
days where
> > even
IBMers were allowed to drink) or a game of golf. Since IBM
Global
>
> Services bought PWC's consulting arm, they have had even more
reason
to
> > promote business-IT alignment solutions. However, the stuff
about
SOA and
> > IBM that I come across on the Web seems to be
very much at the
technical
> > level. Would any IBMers in this
Group care to correct this
impression?
> >
> > While we
are at it, would anyone from other major SOA vendors such
as BEA
>
> or Oracle like to explain their company's position on SOA
and
business-IT
> > alignment – or at least refer us to texts on
this theme?
> >
> > Gervas
> >
> >
>
>
> > Gervas Douglas
> >
> > +44-7763-109
116
> >
> > http://www.aisl-services.com
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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