Harm, I was being a bit clumsy in my attempt to draw a comparison in a diplomatic way. Despite the visceral passions that SOA naturally arouses, we do like to keep this Group polite and dispassionate. I would certainly expect the members of the Group to communicate with a higher sense of maturity and courtesy than is to be found in the British House of Commons, a significant proportion of whose members seem to be indolent toadies or yobs (or frequently both!). I am naturally an undiplomatically direct individual on occasions, but if in doubt in a situation like this, my rule of thumb is - would I say this to my boss's boss?
Gervas Monitor --- In [email protected], "Harm Smit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gervas, > > Maybe the term is a bit harsh, but it translates my disappointment with > the fact that after a discussion with 150+ messages on the subject of > the lightbulb, somebody still comes up with an off-target concept. I > could have said "I'm not quite sure I'd put it that way", which is how > it would have been formulated in the British parliament and which sounds > more polite but is sometimes more agressive. I think on a list like > this, direct statements are preferrable to convoluted expressions of the > political style. But in any case this doesn't imply anything personal. > > Harm. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Gervas Douglas > Sent: vendredi 14 juillet 2006 12:15 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [service-orientated-architecture] Re: Zapthink on SOA/REST > > > > Harm, > > I know that English is not your first language, but pointing out the > deficiencies in someone else's statement by baldly stating it is rubbish > is considered very direct and personal, whether it is true or not (and I > am not the person to adjudicate on that latter point in this instance!). > It is however totally excusable, if sometimes a little unwise to address > a flic or douanier in such a manner. When talking to a politician it is > usually true as well as being almost always excusable:) > > Gervas > > --- In service-orientated- > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Harm Smit" > <hsmit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: service-orientated- > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:service-orientated- > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Jan Algermissen > > Sent: jeudi 13 juillet 2006 23:23 > > To: service-orientated- > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [service-orientated-architecture] Zapthink on SOA/REST > > > > > > . > > > > On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Ron Schmelzer wrote: > > > > > In Web Services, the behavior is explicit because it's defined as > > > such in a contract. In REST, the behavior is implicit because no > > > contract defines what happens when XML is submitted or received as > > > part of a PUT, GET, POST, or DELETE operation. > > > > That's not true, HTTP is the contract that defines what happens. > > > > Nope. It's only part of the contract, see below. > > > > Could it be that you (and others here) overlook the fact that the > > HTTP methods are being invoked ON A RESOURCE and not just on a > > server. The choice of resource, the method and the message type do > > make pretty clear what is happening. > > > > IOW, why do you consider > > > > lightbulb10.PUT( ON ) > > > > to be less explicit than > > > > service.turnOn( lightbulb10 ) > > > > The latter is rubbish. It should read: lightbulb10.turnOn() > > Each lightbulb is an independent, autonomous service provider. > > > > Please keep in mind that the message ON in this case must be of a > > message type both parties understand, it is not just the string "ON". > > > > That's exactly where the difference is. > > > > Jan > > _,_._,___ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/NhFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
