Re: [service-orientated-architecture] Re: Meehan on Kicking Java

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:57:47 -0700

Alex wrote
 
> Nah, languages isn't really what we should be discussing ; it's all
> about overall design and architecture.
 
I have an observation to make on this.
 
When I learned to program (back in the 1970s/80s -- pre OOP days) languages (COBOL, FORTRAN, Pascal, etc) were small. You could learn the whole of a language in a few days. This meant that you soon raised your head above the language to think how best to use it, and this naturally led to consideration of design at a higher level.
 
Now languages are ernormous. As well as the basic languages we have class libraries, frameworks, distributed component models, annotations, AOP etc. You could spend your whole life learning this and never raise your head above the language level. As a result, I think we have become very language-centric in our thinking about software engineering.
 
Perhaps we are now too language-centric?
 
Rgds
Ashley
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: [service-orientated-architecture] Re: Meehan on Kicking Java

--- In service-orientated-architecture@yahoogroups.com, "Alexander
Johannesen" <alexander.johannes[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Yes, I think it's time to have a massive language wars, just to
prove
> > > the age of the list. :)
>
> On 7/19/06, Gervas Douglas <gervas.douglas@...> wrote:
> > Why not?
>
> Because it's ... dumb? :) Any language is good or bad depending on the
> hands that yields it. Leveraging your user-base on the languages you
> support can only mean more of what you've already got, both good *and*
> bad. Saying things like (I forget who; someone up the post-chain)
> "_javascript_ is really bad for collaborative projects" just
> demonstrates this persons bad experiences with it. I've got some good
> ones. So what?
>
> Nah, languages isn't really what we should be discussing ; it's all
> about overall design and architecture.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex
> --
> "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know."
> - Frank Herbert
> __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________
>

I seem to remember founding this Group to discuss principally service-orientated architecture. There is no reason why people should not discuss languages in that they relate to SOA, especially Descriptive Languages. If you want to have a debate about languages in that they relate to lightbulbs for instance, you are welcome to do so in the N-GAA Group as indicated in my last message on the subject where I mentioned a posting about languges in that Group.

Gervas

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