Re: [service-orientated-architecture] Re: Platforms for SOA

Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:28:40 -0700

Anecdotally, in hard core investment banking at least, Java platforms are more popular
for real services because they generally perform better, scale well and are more robust.
This doesn't mean that J2EE is flavour of the month. Often they cut down J2EE or use 
something like Spring and Mule rather than a heavy J2EE stack.

.NET is seen as a better integrated but not often seen as the core technology for service
delivery. Rather it is seen as the gateway to the desktop or as the front office core development
technology that fits with Excel.

This is why interop between Java and .NET is so important because you always need to connect
front office to back office functions in a reasonable way. Web Services is a pretty reasonable way
of achieving this and one often finds a mixed bag in terms of what an SOA is. It is often a mix of
classic Web Services coupled with more JMS/MOM based service architectures.

Just my humble observations.

Cheers

Steve T


On 2 Aug 2006, at 17:37, Ted Slusser wrote:

I think the reason the open source community hasn't matched .NET in
terms of ease of use it that the target audiences are different. (At
least from the perspective of the implementors of the technology).

Sun and J2EE / JEE seem to be targeted towards the developer or
organization which is very tool dependent. Microsoft is also targeted
towards this group but they are just much better at delivering a good,
integrated set of tools (I am speaking anectodally, not empirically).

I don't think the open source community will ever cater to / target the
"drag&drop" developer communities. From my personal experience, I much
prefer tools that don't try to over simplify. Instead they give you
power and flexibility albeit with a steeper learning curve. This makes
the tools much more useful once you get over the hump.

Regarding the ease of use vs flexibility and power: How do you have it
both ways? What constitutes ease of use? I think ease of use should be
judged way beyond the first few days of using a tool.

Kind Regards,

Ted Slusser

--- In service-orientated-architecture@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Sosnoski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
>
> .NET makes it easy to build sophisticated applications, but from what
> I've seen this is often abused. I'm working with a client now that has
a
> WSS configuration apparently obtained by just flipping switches in the
> .NET configuration. The result is certainly reasonably secure, but has
> multiple layers of encryption and signing that add overhead and
> complexity without any additional security benefits.
>
> I'd love to see an alternative for Java that combines the ease-of-use
of
> .NET with the flexibility and power of the better Java frameworks.
This
> is one area where the open source community that powers so much of the
> innovation around Java tends to be lacking, though.
>
> - Dennis
>
> Dennis M. Sosnoski
> SOA, Web Services, and XML
> Training and Consulting
> http://www.sosnoski.com - http://www.sosnoski.co.nz
> Seattle, WA +1-425-296-6194 - Wellington, NZ +64-4-298-6117
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