On 12/12/06, Gervas Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This thread I opened has triggered a major campaign in the REST vs. WS wars > that rage across this Group sporadically. This time I feel that we are > seeing some very constructive debate with a genuine interest to engage with > what the other side offers (well at least in one direction J). So what > provisional conclusions can we reach? I would suggest: > > · In contrast to 3 years or so ago when we had the great CORBA vs. WS > wars, I think we can conclude that CORBA has entered the legacy stage of its > lifecycle. I would be most interested to hear from any dissenters of that > opinion!
There was a war in 2003?! By 1998 I was rushing away from CORBA towards RMI & Java (with the help of DanC). > > · WS has overwhelming support from the vendor community, particularly > the big boys. And the standards girls, and the goverment elfs and the commercial gorrilas. > > · REST looks intriguing and has inspired some firebrand evangelists. > However it seems unlikely to blow WS into the ditch anytime soon. > > · There is probably an interesting market in educating > developers/consultants/analysts/architects etc. about the the virtues and > utility of REST. > > o From that, assuming some sort of success in conversion there should > develop a market in training the same people in REST. There will be some success, in the same way as XP generated a near religious movement that has had some succees, and quite a few failures. > > · Thanks to apostles like Gregg keeping the flame burning and > igniting forests of paper with examples of mobile code, Jini is still a > potentially significant player in the SOA market. Sun, to be frank, has done > sod all to promote Jini or JavaSpaces to anything like their full potential, > IMHO. As I recently mentioned to my J/JS Group, the least they can do is > offer a Gregg a fat salary and a chauffeur-driven RR Phantom. > > o Quite a few of you are J/JS practitioners as far as I know, e.g. > Gregg, Daniel C, Patrick M, Mark P, David F (of CORBA wars memory!) etc. How > do you see J/JS fitting into the SOA scenario? Do you see it as an adjunct > to Java EE 5, WS or just POJO? > > · Do any of you see any other serious rivals to the ones mentioned in > this message for implementing SOA? People. This is one area of SOA that I think is massively under utilised right now, organising people around SOA is a very powerful way to get SOA implemented, independent of the technology choice you have. As a large proportion of the current IT estate can do neither REST nor WS-* nor Jini easily it is this use of people to create SOA that will (IMO) be the most powerful mechanism for delivery. Whether you use REST, WS-*, COBOL, flying monkeys or string to connect systems and communicate it is the organisation of the people that will determine how easy a system is to manage and evolve. > > > > Gervas > > > >
