My perspective:
You use architectural principles to design a system, and you implement the
design.
You don't implement the architecture.

Anne

On 7/2/07, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  On 02/07/07, Rob Eamon <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <reamon%40cableone.net>>
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> I wanted to get the various views that folks have on a phrase that
> gives me pause: "implement an SOA" or "SOA implementation." IMO, this
> phrase is off since an architecture (SOA or otherwise) isn't
> something one implements. I wonder about the validity of my POV,
> however.

I'm on the other side of the fence. If you can't implement the
architecture then its not architecture is just a liberal arts major.

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> The reasons I think that support my POV:
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> * While there is no single definition of "architecture" Booch,
> Rumbaugh and Jacobson state that architecture "is the set of
> significant decisions about the organization of a software system."
> Architectural principles are decisions--"when faced with this set of
> circumstances/needs, this architecture states that the approach shall
> be X."

Agreed, but I've not seen somewhere that has suggested that
architecture should be divorced from delivery (except in certain
toga-wearing architecture groups).

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> * Many posts on this forum, as well as various articles and blogs,
> state that SOA is something you do, not something you buy or build.
> It follows, then, that it cannot be implemented either.

I'd disagree here "do" means achieving something. Implementing
doesn't just mean in software however, its about how you organise,
govern and act as well. This is similar to building architecture
where the putting bricks on top of each other is just one part of the
overall vision, and the vision extends after the building has been
constructed.

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> * When used as a term in building construction, architecture seems to
> be invariably used to describe the attributes or characteristics of
> the structure. The building itself isn't called "the architecture"
> nor is it considered an "architectural implementation."

I'd have to go against this again, when an architect defines the plans
and architecture of the building (e.g. the Gerkin in London) then its
hard to see how the building isn't the implementation of that
architecture.

I'd agree that it isn't architectural implementation however (as in
implementation isn't architecture) but it _is_ the implementation OF
the architecture.

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> * Service orientation is but one of many sets of principles applied
> to a given system. This is probably a poor analogy but: A car has an
> engine but I don't refer to the entire car as "the engine" nor as
> an "engine implementation." :)

Not sure to go with that analogy.... :)
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> The reasons that I question the position:
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> * Brass, Clements and Kazman define architecture as "...comprise[d]
> [of] software elements, the externally visible properties of those
> elements, and the relationships among them." Clearly one can
> implement/instantiate the elements of the architecture so "implement
> the architecture" doesn't seem completely far fetched.

I'd disagree with this definition as it limits architecture to
software, which means that hardware, people, practice, process and
operations are excluded.

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> * Many, many people whose opinions I respect often say "SOA
> implementation." I have a long held belief that architectures
> aren't "implemented." But perhaps I need to let that view go.

I've always tried to say "Service Oriented Delivery", as in the
architecture provides the bounds, constraints and vision and then the
SOD is about delivering the IT that matches to the architecture.

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> I'm quite interested in hearing other points of view.

Mine is that if architecture can't be implemented then it is pointless.

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> -Rob
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