+1

Although I think a modification that SOA is finally _beginning_ to be
understood in terms of what it means.

Steve

2008/5/17 Michael Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I disagree that SOA "concept is finally understood and gaining traction".
> Here are a lot of things to gain, especially, in the business and enterprise
> areas.
>
> Setting WOA or Web Services as a "substyle of SOA" has two troubling
> aspects:
> 1) SOA is still taken as a technology (otherwise Nick Gall mixes apples and
> oranges), we it is not
> 2) communication models - Web Services/WS*-, REST, MOM/Event-Driven - cannot
> be architectural principles, its are just communication models; depending on
> the task one of them might be more preferable than others.
>
> I agree with ZapThink in that SOA and WOA are abstractions of different
> levels. However, I disagree with using expressions such as Web-Oriented SOA,
> Event-Driven SOA, Model-Driven SOA, Process-Driven SOA, etc. I think it
> would be a mistake to limit SOA even in one enterprise to only one
> communication mechanism ( unless it is very a simple business where
> enterprise operates). I feel it would be more appropriate saying something
> like "a SOA subsystem with Web-Oriented communication model (WOCM)"
>
>
>
> - Michael
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gervas Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 1:38:25 PM
> Subject: [service-orientated-architecture] [ZapFlash] WOA is Me - Another
> Acronym? WOA and SOA
>
>
>
>
> WOA is Me - Another Acronym? WOA and SOA
>
> Document ID: ZAPFLASH-2008516 | Document Type: ZapFlash
> By: Ronald Schmelzer
> Posted: May. 16, 2008
>
> The problem with IT: Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD). Just when one concept
> is finally understood and gaining traction, the pundits, marketers, and
> industry standards-bearers come up with a new and confusing phrase to
> confound us all. In this iteration of IT's fascination with new TLAs
> (three-letter acronyms for the acronym-challenged) , bloggers and hypesters
> galore are talking up the concept of Web Oriented Architecture (WOA). Given
> ZapThink's distaste for old wine in new bottles, we have to ask: is there
> anything new in the WOA concept? And if there are new ideas, do they have
> any substance? More importantly, if there are indeed new ideas in the WOA
> concept, how do these compare and contrast to the SOA concept?
>
> What is WOA?
> At the time of writing this ZapFlash, there's no Wikipedia entry page on Web
> Oriented Architecture, which is both a sign that there isn't sufficient
> interest to create one (although perhaps the simple act of writing this
> might spur an entry), as well as a reflection that the term is too new to
> have garnered any sort of consensus definition. However, over the past year
> or so there has been a flurry of impassioned blog writing and research work
> yielded a number of detailed definitions.
>
> Nick Gall was and early proponent of WOA and defines it as "an architectural
> style that is a substyle of SOA based on the architecture of the WWW with
> the following additional constraints: globally linked, decentralized, and
> uniform intermediary processing of application state via self-describing
> messages." In his short-hand, he defines it as the combination of SOA, Web,
> and REST architectural and technology implementation styles. Dion
> Hinchcliffe further clarifies WOA as "a core set of Web protocols like HTTP
> and plan XML" to provide a simpler, and in his view, more scalable, approach
> to Web Services. He further states, "The only real difference between
> traditional SOA and the concept of WOA is that WOA advocates REST, an
> increasingly popular, powerful, and simple method of leveraging HTTP as a
> Web service in its own right".
>
> The first question to ask is whether WOA is just the concept of
> Representational State Transfer (REST) rebranded. Indeed, Dion Hinchcliffe
> makes little distinction between the fundamental concepts of REST, which we
> explored ad nauseum in earlier ZapFlashes, and the concepts of WOA. In his
> words, "as far as REST and WOA are concerned, you don't need anything more
> complex than HTTP" along with "some plain old XML to hold your data and
> state to top it all off." We've explored in the ZapFlash referenced above
> how REST and SOA are indeed quite complimentary and thus this would apply to
> Hinchcliffe's treatment of SOA and WOA. Hinchcliffe would seem to agree with
> us: "don't forget, WOA is a subset of SOA and is not disjoint, as long as
> you follow the principles of [Service Orientation] ."
>
> The question about the REST-WOA overlap can best be answered by stating that
> while not all REST applications are WOA, all WOA implementations are
> necessarily RESTful. Nick Gall, who coined the term, provides further key
> insights in a blog posting in which he said, "I felt REST was too caught up
> in religious debates, and Web Architecture would confuse people, since it
> was originally oriented toward user-to-system interaction, not
> system-to-system interaction." Therefore, we can gather that WOA is REST
> dusted off and applied specifically to SOA.
>
> None of the proponents of WOA seem to advocate it as a replacement for SOA
> concepts, and indeed indicate that it is a subset or style of SOA
> implementation. Nick Gall once stated, "[WOA] describes a subset of SOA that
> fits the architecture of the Web". ZapThink would tend to agree.
> Service-Oriented Architecture is an enterprise architecture approach that is
> fundamentally agnostic to the method for implementing a Service. Use of
> RESTful styles for Service implementation as well as following specific
> REST-oriented styles of Service design would be helpful for those that seek
> a Web-oriented approach to SOA. Given that, why bother calling this new
> concept WOA at all? How about just Web-Oriented SOA?
>
> Users can implement Web-Oriented SOA by following a set of conventions for
> defining Services and coordinating their interaction:
>
> Follow all the precepts of SOA defined by ZapThink as well as others in the
> space – make sure your Services are properly abstracted, loosely coupled,
> composable, and contracted
> Every Web-Oriented Service should have an unambiguous and unique URI to
> locate the Service on the network
> Use the URI as a means to locate as well as taxonomically define the Service
> in relation to other Services.
> Use well-established Web methods (POST, GET, etc.) for interacting with
> Services
> Lessen the dependence on proprietary middleware to coordinate Service
> interaction and shift to common Web infrastructure to handle SOA
> infrastructure needs
>
> WOA and SOA: Different Levels of Abstraction
> Right now, we're seeing a lot of breathless adoration of the WOA concepts,
> with some stating that it will replace SOA or be the next evolution of SOA.
> Neither of these statements are anywhere near correct. The first glaring
> problem we see in those statements is that WOA and SOA define concepts at
> different levels of abstraction. If we can toss out the WOA acronym here for
> a minute and simply talk about Web-Oriented SOA, I think it all becomes
> clear. Rather than advocating a replacement for the ideas of SOA,
> Web-Oriented SOA simply provides clarity in how to define and create
> infrastructure for Services. Just like our earlier conversations about REST,
> the need for Web-Oriented SOA arises from the disappointment in Web Services
> and current vendor approaches to SOA more so than it arises from a need for
> a new architectural form to replace SOA at the enterprise architecture level
> of abstraction.
>
> With this in mind, it should be noted that the key requirement for WOA is a
> dependence on the Web as a protocol and means for both Service definition
> and Service interaction. SOA is necessarily and completely agnostic with
> regards to how to define and interact with a Service, but WOA is necessarily
> more specific. WOA cannot exist without the Web protocols, but SOA can. Does
> this mean that WOA and SOA conflict? No, it simply means that WOA is more
> specific than SOA. In other words, WOA is a more concrete than the SOA
> abstraction. Hence, we are talking about different layers of abstraction.
>
> In this way, WOA is really an alternative to Web Services and perhaps other
> approaches to Service design, such as emerging mainframe-oriented,
> message-oriented, and event-driven approaches that all might mandate
> different styles of Service definition and associated infrastructure.
>
> The ZapThink Take
> A while back, we thoroughly debunked the idea of Event-Driven Architecture
> (EDA) as a separate architectural concept. We also took the ill-fated idea
> of SOA 2.0 behind the barn and put it out of its misery. Introducing new
> TLAs are only helpful when they provide clarity and distinguish concepts so
> as to make them easier to understand and implement. Introducing new TLAs for
> the sake of shining up a blogger's ego or helping analysts create new
> markets to peddle their research or events isn't particularly helpful when
> we're talking about the billions of dollars in IT invested in new
> innovations and trends. It's for this reason that ZapThink takes a
> particularly wary eye on concepts that try to rebrand existing, well-worn
> ideas or split hairs in concepts that would be better off standing as a
> single idea.
>
> While the WOA concept does indeed provide deeper insights into how to best
> implement a Service and create an infrastructural approach for scaling
> Services, we simply don't see a need to identify this as a truly separate
> architectural approach. As mentioned earlier, WOA would be better
> represented as Web-Oriented SOA in much the same way that we derided EDA and
> indicated that those who wish to take an event-driven perspective of the
> world should simply think of Event-Driven SOA. One could even combine the
> two and think about Web-Oriented, Event-Driven SOA as perhaps a
> counterweight to the Web Services-Oriented, Synchronous SOA that is
> all-too-prevalent in today's so-called SOA implementations.
>
> ZapThink believes that the term Web-Oriented SOA represents greater clarity
> than WOA, since it disambiguates the desire to position WOA as an
> alternative to SOA as well as more accurately positions the concept at a
> lower level of abstraction than the SOA concept. Going forward, hence, we
> will prefer the term Web-Oriented SOA over WOA, since it provides greater
> clarity. And clarity is exactly what companies today need to make SOA a
> reality.
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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