On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find it interesting that back in 2003 most SOA groups talked about
> Web Services and technical implementation and now 5 years on we are
> talking about the harder problems of organisational and cultural
> change, while REST is back again at the way to build a better wheel.

Actually, I persist with REST exactly because it has a number of
things that makes it easier to adopt to more human problems. Resource
orientation being one (closer to the human perception of "things"),
the limited interface another (humans have limited interfaces, too :),
and finally the state of application through hyperlinks (which is
horrible to explain, terrible to spell out, but has a grounded human
essence in it; the angle of bias and scope directly there with the
"thing" itself).

To do SOA on a organizational / human level I find that since people
can grok the human aspects of REST I get a free shot at actual finding
solutions with them rather than trying so damn hard to separate SOA
and implementation, because, you know, people don't really think like
that. The world is complex, but we humans handle complexity through
adapting to patters, not by breaking it down into bits and
categorizing it.

> The on going problem of IT is that people continue to think that a
> technology will deliver a massive step change in the success,
> maintainability and evolution of IT estates. Don't you find it
> depressing? I do.

Oh, it's a bet one way or the other. Sometimes technology do bring the
goods, other times it does not. The thing is, in the end, it's not the
technology with the best technical design that wins, but the
technology that connects best with the people who will use it.


Alex
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