--- In [email protected], "Steve Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Changing the way you think about systems is the most effective way to > change the way you implement them. Whether that uses new technologies > or not is irrelevant (or at best semi-relevant). Business change > programmes do not require new technologies and indeed are often best > done when the technologies remain effectively the same but the context > and application of those technologies changes. > I see it more as taking advantage of new technologies to enable new business change.
> For me B-SOA is absolutely about the realisation of the solution, it > is exactly that which drives it, which drives the governance and which > drives the organisation and methods for delivery. T-SOA is just the > plumbing. > I do agree that there are some IT people who have lost track of business objectives. > So this either means that > > a) I completely disagree > > or > > b) You are including technical delivery methods (people, process, > commercials) within T-SOA which isn't where I'd put that stuff. > A question I have is if by your definition, whether IT does B-SOA or just T-SOA. I think there is a tendency for business people to assume that IT should be the one who should understand what business requirements. From some projects, I'm also beginning to feel that IT does not really know the technology well enough to relate it to a business. It's much easier to just know how to implement WS* rather than know why's behind the specs. There are many IT people who know the syntax but do not really understand the semantics. > B-SOA absolutely could just be BS if it was just about the powerpoint > pictures and then waving hands between there and reality. My > experience however is that its the Business Services (the BS if you > will) that actually drives the delivery and puts T-SOA where it > belongs... in a technology box. > > Now, I've seen many of those kinds of powerpoints and books. :) A wave of hand to go from BA to AA, DA, and TA. If the person assigned to BA does not really know how to actually implement it, there probably won't be too many actual changes in business. H.Ozawa
