Gregg, are you voting for TAKFLAS or you have a proposal for an acronym for
SERVICE ORIENTATION ('setation'?)?
I am trying to sell SOS as service-oriented solution acronym.
Who's more?
- Michael
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From: Gregg Wonderly <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 3:49:29 PM
Subject: Re: [service-orientated-architecture] Re: SOA is Dead
As I've gone on and on about here before, I really don't find any value in
using
the term SOA. It is three words which tell you nothing about how or why. It
says something about what, but because there is no other words, you have to
start talking sentences, paragraphs, point at papers etc, before people start
to
understand how and why.
So it's no surprise to me to still see people on this list using misunderstood,
or misinterpreted or any of a number of similar terms. The "concrete" needs to
be discussed and the abstract left for papers.
Gregg Wonderly
Eric Newcomer wrote:
> Hi Anne,
>
> I am sorry if I misunderstood something. But I was unsure what you meant.
>
> On the one hand you say we shouldn't use the word "SOA" any more, but on
> the other hand you say we should still promote all the ideas and
> concepts the word is currently used to communicate.
>
> I am sorry - I am a bit lost here if cost wasn't the main issue you were
> getting at. I was thinking your suggestion was to seek low cost
> alternatives to implement SOA, or whatever you prefer to call it now.
>
> Eric
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> *From:* Anne Thomas Manes <atma...@gmail. com>
> *To:* service-orientated- architecture@ yahoogroups. com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 7, 2009 7:41:24 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [service-orientated -architecture] Re: SOA is Dead
>
> Read my post again Eric. I explicitly berated teams for focusing on
> silly technical debates. It's not a question of big or little SOA or
> SOAP vs REST. My point is that IT groups should no long attempt to
> sell "SOA" to the business. "SOA" is now a bad word.
>
> And--btw--only big transformation efforts, where SOA was part of
> something bigger, produced significant benefits. Little SOA takes too
> long to deliver value. But big SOA is worse if it isn't part of
> something bigger. Spectacular results requires a spectacular
> commitment to change.
>
> Anne
>
> On 1/6/09, Eric Newcomer <e_newcomer@ yahoo. com
> <mailto:e_newcomer% 40yahoo.com> > wrote:
> > To me the message sounds more like "Big SOA" is dead - i.e.
> > those high-priced SOA software packages complete with huge services
> > contracts that some vendors have been promoting. Not SOA itself.
> >
> > Regarding the Web, I think most innovation in distributed computing is
> > happening there now, but traditional systems aren't going away any time
> > soon. The cost of rearchitecting everything to REST is just too high to
> > make it a practical suggestion.
> >
> > I would also like to put in another plug for the OSGi Framework here,
> since
> > it is SOA based and is gaining traction, not losing ground.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: mikomatsumura <mikomatsumura@ yahoo.com
> <mailto:mikomatsumu ra%40yahoo. com>>
> > To: service-orientated- architecture@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:service- orientated- architecture% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 12:22:29 PM
> > Subject: [service-orientated -architecture] Re: SOA is Dead
> >
> >
> > It's certainly one way of looking at it.
> >
> > Another way of looking at it is that it's alive and well in 2009.
> >
> > I think as an all-singing all-dancing transcendental architecture it's
> > certainly going to experience a significant impact as IT begins to
> > realize it's new year's resolution to become more "fit".
> >
> > But it remains the case that the need to organize and abstract
> > capability for combinatoric reuse and to overcome heterogeneous legacy
> > still remains a large and challenging sore spot to agility in the
> > enterprise. Whatever the efforts to address this challenge are called,
> > the winners of that game will do better than the losers.
> >
> > My 2 bits,
> > Miko
> >
> > --- In service-orientated- architecture@ yahoogroups. com, "Anne Thomas
> > Manes" <atma...@... > wrote:
> >>
> >> This post should generate a bit of discussion:
> >>
> >>
> > http://apsblog. <http://apsblog. /> burtongroup. com/2009/ 01/soa-is-
> dead-long- live-services.
> > html
> >>
> >> Anne
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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